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Friday, February 27, 2009

Epic Abandoned Substations and Power Plants


"QUANTUM SHOT" #539
Link - article by Justin Sampson and Avi Abrams



Still generating power... to creep us out

The way some power plants and substations look, you'd think they fell out of some crack in the sky and materialized in our world - only to haunt and disturb normal citizens. Their incessant humming, occasional insectoid twittering and subliminal noise can be plenty annoying, but when they get abandoned, the tangle of cables, machinery and crumbling towers (combined with deep silence) makes it visually much, much worse...


(image credit: EarthMagnified)

Before we embark on a tour of some depressing abandoned power plants, here is a wonderfully bizarre structure still intact in London:

Duke Street Electricity Substation in London... with a garden on top.

London-based photographer Mark Obstfeld, a friend of our site, shares with us his urban discovery in London: "While wandering round the west side of town, I remembered I'd seen an unusual building before - just off Oxford St (main shopping street) in the West End, near Selfridges (a big department store). A few people were having lunch away from the bustle 50 metres away."




The English Heritage site has more of the history of this unusual substation: "This unusual and stylish edifice, together with the paved garden on top, was built in 1903–5 for the Westminster Electric Supply Corporation to the designs of C. Stanley Peach, with C. H. Reilly as assistant. As built, the sub-station rose to a greater height than had been contemplated, with a balustrade all round, and Diocletian windows along the sides to light the galleries of the engine rooms, which occupied deep basements. The garden above was paved and allotted the trees in tubs suggested, though these no longer exist..."



(photos by Mark Obstfeld)

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Forgotten New York Power House

The New York Subway at one point had its own dedicated power system, called the Power House which was built in 1904. This huge complex covering an entire city block now sits forgotten. At its peak capacity, the plant could produce 132,000 horsepower.



(images via 1, 2)

Timothy Vogel visited several New York Central Power stations along the Hudson River (note the curiously shaped meters):



(images credit: Timothy Vogel)

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In a cold, cold bunker... lurks a dark, dark power

Sweden is home to more than fifty underground bunker substations built during World War II. Concealing powerful generators, bomb-proof, cooled by underground rivers, these structures still look like they can survive anything "Half-Life" and such could unleash against it:



(images credit: Jakob Ehrensvärd)

BC Hydro in Vancouver, Canada, owns a couple of truly spectacular (almost gothic) abandoned hydroelectric power stations, with decorations more befitting a 5-star hotel than an industrial complex. Built in 1903 at a staggering cost of $1,300,000 (quite a lot of money back then) and operated until 1964, they stand guard on the river - still very elegant, with a whiff of haunted electricity inside:


(image credit: Steven Ballegeer)

Kayakers enjoy going around them and imagining themselves on the set of some horror movie:



(images via 1, 2, 3, 4, )

Forbidden site, evocative scenery - power stations on the Indian Arm, near Buntzen Lake:



(images credit: Vida J Morkunas, Laura Blumenthal)

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Going Yonkers

Yonkers, NY is home to Glenwood Power Station, built in 1906. In 1960 the plant was abandoned and never touched since. Like the New York Power House, this was built to power the electric rail road system:


(image credit: Elephi Pelephi)

The following photograph is not some giant Shogi board set, it's just a simple dock ruin... but in the sunset all gets shifted meaning; perfect time to go inside:


(image courtesy Rob Yasinsac HudsonValleyRuins)



(image credit: EarthMagnified)

Weird creatures leave there and come out after dark:


(image credit: Michael Sullivan)

The view out of Glenwood power plant windows can't be beat, either:


(image credit: John Zwinck)

Now we know why so many epic storylines end in the abandoned factories or power plants. Nowhere is the power of decay and redemption is so evident, as in the rusted husks of once-mighty turbines, bathed in ethereal light.

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More wanderings in and around forgotten power plants

Unlike most other abandoned hydroelectric plants, White River Falls Power Station in Oregon looks pretty unassuming, in fact like nothing more than a barn. Built in 1901, and closed after WW2, much of the steampunk-ish machinery remains inside, to the delight of the occasional explorer:



(images credit: Jay Lake)

Construction on Cherokee Nuclear Power Plant was halted in 1983, after $633 million (or about $1.2 billion U.S. adjusted for inflation). The unfinished cooling tower was used as the set for "Deepcore" during the filming of "The Abyss". Once the filming was over, funding went dry and the film set was left to rot. It was covered in notices stating that it was property of the 20th Century Fox and any access to it was prohibited. In 2007 a new power plant was approved to be constructed next door, and the remaining parts of the Cherokee Power Plant were slated for demolition.


(image credit: Dave Scaglione)

Another abandoned power plant: this one is in Bushehr, Iran. Construction on this sci-fi looking facility was stopped after Iran signed an agreement to halt nuclear research:



(images via 1, 2)

Construction of the Yusufiyah Electrical Generation Plant was started in 2001 by the Soviets, but was moth-balled two years later. Here is a huge transformer (in the best sense of this word), lying around:


(image credit: James Gordon)

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Eyesores be gone: there is hope for the abandoned cooling towers

The painting of the cooling tower of the Cruas Nuclear Power Station in France took 9 mountaineers 8,000 man hours and 4,000 liters of paint to complete. The Johannesburg cooling towers (image on the right) are also no longer used by the power plant, and are being turned into bases for bungee jumping and rappelling.


(images via 1, 2)

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14 Comments:

Anonymous Маттиас said...

"Construction of the Yusufiyah Electrical Generation Plant was started in 2001 by the Soviets"

Круто, я точно знал что Советский Союз, нашу родную Империю Зла, перестройкой так просто не угрохать. Возможно, СССР ещё даже слегонца жив.

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Anonymous tanglepoet said...

Great post.
The Swedish substation totally looks like "Return of the Jedi". I kept looking for Chewbacca.

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Blogger Sigivald said...

My Russian is pretty weak (nonexistant), but I'm willing to guess that Matthias is saying what I was going to say - that in 2001 there weren't any "Soviets", so perhaps you meant "Russians".

Sources disagree about when it was constructed, varying from 1980 to 1989 to 1996 to 2001.

The best explanation for that appears to be (according to RIAN), that construction started under Soviet direction in 1989, was put on hiatus for a decade after the Gulf War, and Russians went back to work on it in 2001 until conditions [and probably lack of payment] led them to leave in 2004.

So both "Soviet" and "2001" are reasonable, just not quite in the conjunction offered.

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Blogger John Kankley said...

Some of these pics look straight out of Gotham City.

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Blogger Lamberto said...

What about the most famous London power station? Battersea!!! The one Pink Floyd took to hang the pink inflatable pig on the two front towers, for taking a picture for their album.
Sometimes I go there and I think that it's a shame that they abandoned such a marvellous magnificent architectural beauty...
It seems that has been recently bought and will be transformed in a shopping center (but maybe I'm wrong)

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Anonymous designsdelight.com said...

wow, I mean how do you keep coming up with fresh ideas like this.

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Blogger Zentaro said...

That BC Hydro plant in Vancouver is amazing. I would like to see someone convert that into a resort / hotel. Even better yet, a museum.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about Marble Hill Nuclear Power Plant?
More info

Or how about Richmond Generating Station? More info

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Blogger przemoe said...

Have you seen this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BBarnowiec_Nuclear_Power_Plant

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Круто, я точно знал что Советский Союз, нашу родную Империю Зла, перестройкой так просто не угрохать. Возможно, СССР ещё даже слегонца жив.

Actually, what Маттиас said was something more or less like this:

Cool! I just knew that the Soviet Union, our own Empire of Evil, couldn't be destroyed so easily by perestroika. Perhaps the USSR is still alive even today.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Check out OMSI's Turbine Hall. The Oregon Museum of Science and Industry is located in a building donated by the Portland General Electric company. Massive indoor space with the overhead cranes still in place. Picture here: http://www.omsi.info/visit/physics/engineerit/graphics/components/turbinehall.jpg

and more info here: http://www.omsi.org/visit/physics/

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Blogger Neil said...

You can have a great day out at this dissused atomic power station in Germany:
http://www.wunderlandkalkar.eu/ws/content.asp?navigationId=45&base=1&Title=Kernie's%20Familiepark

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

here the hell is Yamantau?

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Anonymous Fabien said...

The Cruas cooling tower in France is definetely not abandonned...

have a look at this pretty picture on flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rogerjb/2218066191/

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  • Regarding the 'Skylon'; I am skeptical of websites wherein the apostrophe is abused and the HTML is invalid.
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  • At http://ec.europa.eu/environment/life/publications/lifepublications/lifefocus/documents/military_en.pdf (page 29) you will find a couple of (fairly poor) pictures of the Porton Down antscape - hectares of anthills, cheek by jowl, albeit without the geometric regularity your pictures show. Could your mounds have been "built" by insects? I imagine it would take some hundreds of years for such mounds to naturally erode away (depending on local conditions). Here in Wiltshire, UK, there are a good number of neolithic burial mounds which have survived several thousand years, and some of these would (even when "new") have been no higher than the mounds you describe. So current occupation by ants need not rule out such origins. Just a thought!
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  • But, given the pictures, the mounds aren't meticulous and regular, especially in a way defying natural creation.

    They're not all that regular and not at all meticulously laid out in the example images... the Google ones particularly make them look like an erosive artifact.

    (The seismic activity hypothesis looks pretty likely, to my eyes.)
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  • My guess would be that at one time a certain type of tree or plant grew where the mounds are, and rain eroded the areas between them, where there were fewer roots to hold onto the earth. Eventually the trees/ plants died off for some reason, leaving the mounds.
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  • Looks like a standing wave pattern to me. I wonder how the locations of these sites would map compared to sources of vibrations. Hmmm.
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  • Well it has kind of an texture like some footwear. Maybe it's the carbon footprint?

    The other thought I had that when mud dries out it leaves cracks in it (like here http://www.photos.com/en/search/close-up?oid=2710969&hoid=8f04e1d10fb5cea7a9bcc4c10ceb71ec)
    and those mountains are some sort of soil that dried up deep into ground and bigger cracks appeared. Through time wind has carved the edges off the cracks and made those bumps look smooth.
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  • To me the patterns kinda look like when water is boiling in a pot..

    Could at one point they could all have been hot springs?

    Water:
    http://soul-amp.blogspot.com/2008/01/boiling-water-photo-weird-photos-of.html

    sulfur springs:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/kqedquest/3025698529/
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  • Goose bumps on Mother Earth as she cools down.
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  • I live near the Mima mounds in Olympia and have heard professors speculate on theories. There is zero evidence of any link to animals. We are close to the terminus of the gaciers during the last ice age. But the most reasonable hypothesis that I've heard has to do with seismic activity. If you put sand on a piece of plywood and bang rythmically with a hammer it forms into regularly spaced little mounds.
    Steve in Olympia
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  • Really big frost heaves?

    Either that or Mothra eggs.
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  • After reading this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mima_Mounds

    It seems there is likely a variety of explanations for various mounds around the world. Here in MN I've seen what pocket gophers can do.
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  • My guess would be... grass. Perhaps with some helper ants/insects/rodents/rabbits for soil fertilisation and turnover. Seeing how quickly grass can build up topsoil (for instance, over a paved path), I don't doubt that over centuries such mounds could build up. All it needs, is some positive feedback between ground surface height (above the water table, or frost zone, or dew-catching, or wind-blown dust collecting, or average sunlight levels) and rate of grass growth - and you'd get mounds. Big ones.

    Heck, it might even be something as simple as rabbits liking to sit on top of the mounds for the view, and pooping there - greener grass, more rabbits, more... etc.

    Positive feedback is a powerful effect. (Says me, the electronics engineer.)

    TerraHertz
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  • Of course they are natural. Just because the exact method of their formation is not yet known is no reason to jump to supernatural conclusions.

    Looks to me like an interference pattern of some sort, probably seismic.

    Your statement that natural formations "can't be as precise, orderly, or meticulous as the mounds" is breathtakingly ignorant.

    Here's an example of a different natural phenomenon creating an equally strange regular landscape: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2665675.stm
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  • I have to agree with Bill, those look like acoustic wave patterns created by some sort of seismic activity. To indicate cause by flora or fauna, there would have to be traceable remains of either in, on, or around those mounds.
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  • As far as I have read and understood those mounds were made by indians. They used them to grow certain crops that needed a type of ground elevation, in order to get the conditions right for the crops to grow (moisture levels etc.).

    source:
    http://www.amazon.com/1491-Revelations-Americas-Before-Columbus/dp/product-description/1400032059
    (apparently this theory of those mounds being human made is supported broadly among archaeologists, and having read that book i'm also inclined to believe it to be true)
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  • Hmm, miniature giant space gophers?
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  • Ants
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  • I live near some of these and have wondered about them for years. Glad to finally have a name for them and to know no one else knows that they are either.
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  • I couldn't even start guessing what the heck these things are. I just find it funny that Canada is referred to as an "exotic locale" along with Kenya and Australia.
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  • Clearly these are NOT "Mothra eggs",
    but rather the pupae mounds left whenever Rush Limbaugh visits an area.
    When he and Sarah Palin are declared
    King and Queen, they will burst forth
    and destroy Godless heathens and organic farms the world over.
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  • I think theyre made from earthquakes when the ground is loose like sand forms these shapes when on something that vibrates at the right frequency. This could be a bigger scale of it.
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  • Where's the mystery?

    Looking at them, i'd say they're caused by the vibration of the earth (the schumann resonance)
    and fluctous interference with the cosmic hum (prana/vril/orgone/ether).

    Check out the field of Cymatics of Prof Dr. Hans Jenny.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY6z2hLgYuY
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWadDtIFPNs
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3csi-2Hrzhg
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bAmjRK9wBA


    [B]Everything[/B] is a a vibration.
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  • Hey! These are the places where the Teletubbies live! I KNEW they weren't just fairy tales! :)
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  • I think they are likely the remnants
    of forests. Each mound is a root ball
    left over from a decayed tree. The root ball decayed into a pile ofcompost
    that eventually became a mound. That is why they are so consistent in form
    and the same around the world.

    virag0
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  • re:virag0 - Wow, there is a fresh look on things! )
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  • Seems like regularly spaced Pingo formation.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingo
    Pingos form from ice lensen in periglacial climates, so it makes sense that they would be found at the edges of ancient ice caps.
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  • What Anonymous wrote sounds very plausible: "My guess would be that at one time a certain type of tree or plant grew where the mounds are, and rain eroded the areas between them, where there were fewer roots to hold onto the earth. Eventually the trees/ plants died off for some reason, leaving the mounds."

    But I am sure that scientists would easily be able to confirm this by simply digging a big hole in one these mounded areas are analyzing the soil and so forth.
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  • I have spent a bit of time looking at these mounds in Oregon and California and find that ALL 3 main theories for the mounds FAIL for the same reason, none come lose to covering the range of the mounds.

    FAR MORE MOUNDS exist in areas that

    1. are not seismically active than are.

    2. are outside the range of gophers than within (also there is no signs of gopher activity within the mounds.) This theory is stupidity squared anyway.

    3. are outside of areas of glacial wash than are in such areas.

    There is no plant or animal that even comes close to covering the entire range of the mounds.

    What they are is unknown, they have the appearance of agricultural areas and their internal structure indicates the same thing. This does not mean that is what they are, but this is the only hypothesis that cannot be easily eliminated based on range and structure. The argument against this is that no people were around to build them. Try and find solid research to support this and you may be surprised at the lack thereof.
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  • Very cool post!

    Thanks!
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  • Its really great photos and their description. Nice job done
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  • i go to uni in kent, which is located about 3 miles from their largest site, in addition that site is also right next to one of kents largest clubs and i think its definatly time for some night-time drunken exploring
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  • it was a surprise to find the limestone heritage on this site since its not a theme park but an open air museum depicting the soft stone building traditions of Malta (i guess you have realised that im maltese! :) ) one though can try his or her hand at stone carving once you are at it.. :)
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  • Pedro's south of the border is truly one of the saddest excuses for a theme park you could see. The ONLY reason to stop there is for fireworks, or to gas up your car... If you drive to NC on I-95 you cant miss it, its literally on the border between SC and NC
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  • The big chocolate character looks weird...
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  • Wow, that airplane propeller ride looks like fun!
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  • You forgot Disney's California Adventure. A theme park with such a bad theme and so poorly executed, that it is now being remodeled and expanded at the price tag of $1 billion.
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  • awsoem! I want to go to them all just for the sheer weirdness of it all
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  • Wall, SD would fit on this list...
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  • i go to uni in kent, which is located about 3 miles from their largest site, in addition that site is also right next to one of kents largest clubs and i think its definatly time for some night-time drunken exploring
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  • Hmm...House on the Rock should be here!
    It's the most amazing!!!
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  • The link to the nazi-era color photos doesn't work. This one does.
    http://d-m-vestnik.livejournal.com/142922.html
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  • Thank you - link fixed
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  • The last photo ("Total Bliss") is Kiev, Ukraine.
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  • Cute animal the mere cat I think it was. Overall nice pics nice post thanks for it Avi.
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  • One of the best articles in the last few weeks.
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  • This is why I visit your site everyday.
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  • michael palin visited prora in his last bbc series, you just reminded me of the name. thanks!
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  • superb article!
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  • Thanks once again for a great post. The learned architectural comments highlight the decided similarities between Socialist and National Socialist art, and reinforce the insight that Nazism was in fact merely a heresy of Marxism.

    A useful comparison would be to the neo-Imperialist architecture of the new 0bama displays, beginning with the faux-Roman structures at the Denver convention. Not much changes.
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  • I like your web since long time ago and this is a very interesting article.
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  • Great architecture! Beautiful and clasic!
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    I don't forget history, but I live in present. Great contribution, thanks!
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  • Great post!!! I like this site very much, it's very funny and informative. However, it's sad that such a great post just made the De Witt guy reinforce his wrong insights...
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  • like the first comment says, One of the best articles last weeks.

    about the Prora Rugen, There are plans to make it into a youth hostel. A dutch architect -Kempe Thill- has won a recent (2007) competition about "what to do with the building"

    here is the site:
    http://www.atelierkempethill.com/0030.html
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  • There remain huge debates as many classical buildings are still being pulled down as the unwanted "wrong kind of architecture" for a modern Germany.

    The other invented architecture, Volk, has usually been assimilated, and the only alterations one usually sees is removal of various swastikas. Hitler's personal home, tea house, and other homes in the Volk style in Berchtesgaden on the Obersalzberg were destroyed during or immediately after the war. Most other buildings in this style were just reused and accepted.

    I'd like to see another illustrated article on this invented architectural style.

    Much of Prora has recently, (2008), been sold and condos seem to be in the structures future.
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  • Grotesquely imposing structures, dwarfing the pathetic human form...didn't Albert Speer also design the Hummer?
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  • I'm happy to have given you all the opportunity to practice your condescension. I'm certain you have done sufficient research to refute my point, since you were proud enough of your opinions to post them anonymously ;-}.
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  • I always wondered about Hitlers fascination of the Romans. He was obsessed with Nordic lore, but Roman architecture.
    It was the naked men sculptures, had to be.
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  • been visiting your blog for years. nice find.
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  • Robert Hughes' "The Shock of the New" has a good discussion of totalitarian architecture, where he describes the pseudo-classical architecture as "totalitarian doric" and also observes that the buildings in the New York state government mall in Albany would like perfectly natural with hammer and sickle or swastika decorations.
    On a related note, the Beijing Olympic structures seem like a modern version of this.
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  • Thank you guys for all the info, this is why we totally enjoy comments on DRB :)
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  • Just goes to show that bad regimes can make good art and impressive architecture. It was ironic that everytime we saw a new concrete-and-steel box go up in our town... a school, or an office building, and we'd deride it as "communist looking". And yet when you compare postwar architecture of the US and the USSR, the Soviets were the ones making beautiful, impressive buildings, while it was we who were making the plain, soulless glass boxes. East Germany promoted that kind of Phillip Johnson asthetic, but the Russians knew how to make an impressive building (though often constructed poorly). I'll take the magnificent Moscow State University main building anyday over soul-sucking boxes like the Seagram Building.

    The best comment ever made about our numbing modern architecture of the postwar years was made by Tom Wolfe, when he looked at the rows of plain, glass and steel boxes of Manhattan and called it the "Rue De Regret".
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  • DesCorp - Moscow University Building perhaps needs an article in itself...
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  • Lichterdom was - according to Speers son - one of the works he was most proud of.
    Actually it was a solution to a funny problem: Four groups of the armed forces were to parade: Army, Navy, Airforce and the 'Desk-force'. The latter were not so fit for parading - out of practice and out of shape. To hide this is it was decided to make the parade at night! But the decorations were made for daylight use and Speer came up with the idea of the unusual use of searchlights. Between 1 and 200 were needed and this covered the entire German searchlight reserve. Hitler had to be asked and was delighted: Our enemies will never believe, that we use all our reserves - off course we do it.
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  • The pic of the 1937 is amazing considering it's context and time. I'd not seen it before. Thank you.

    If you've not done an article on it yet, it would be interesting to compare the architecture of the same time between the Soviet Union and the US (Germany could be included). As an example, Moscow State U's building is remarkably similar to what was happening in lower Manhattan (and Rockefeller Center).
    http://www.panoramio.com/photo/13358802

    Keep up the great work DRB.
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  • Thanks for the very interesting and informative article.

    Rob De Witt would have fit in & thrived in Germany as chief sophist at the time.
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  • This was a great detailed article. Thanks for the great work.

    James
    http://thehistorycellar.blogspot.com/
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  • The architecture featured at my Youtube channel may interest you: www.youtube.com/luddite333
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  • Wonderful piece. Thankyou. Have added outgoing links back to here from a piece on Blather which touches on this: http://www.blather.net/globaleyes/archives/2009/01/welcome_to_the_game.html
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  • When I was a kid we had a foot length of that phone cable in a cupboard. It provided all the wire for my childhood experiments.
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  • The mechanical fractals are scary fascinating.
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  • The last one reminded me of those MC Escher prints. Imagine combining Escher & fractals- whoa!
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  • Great blog
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  • Talking aboute mechanical fractals: the Vasconcelos library in Mexico:

    picture
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  • these things hurt my brain. ow.
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  • It's awesome and futuristic. Great stuff.
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  • What you expect the future to look like. It's great.
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  • Actually the first one in the Groovy Fractals by Professor Enigma set made me think of the inside of the Way from one of Greg Bear's "Eternity" books.
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  • Awesome!
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  • Great looking images, a look at what could be and my be in the future. Cool!
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  • I'm annoyed that the clearly superior side is labeled 'B' as thought it should come after 'A' in consideration. The janitor at my place of work also uses this obnoxious 'over the back' configuration, despite the many notes I have left him to rectify the situation.
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  • true. configuration A isn't just unergonomic but more complicated to use as well.
    considering that there are some TP-holding constructions with a lid on top to help in tearing individual pieces off, configuration A is clearly not the one to prefer.

    i would guess they are watchin a particulary painful stunt.

    the reason i'm thinking this is because i recognise the faces.
    on the left the half face belongs to "Steve-O", the doggy i dont know, the guy with the missing tooth is Ehren McGhehey, the one in the lower right is Dave England and the quarter face behind Dave is Loomis Fall.

    so i guess someone is breaking his own bones, slamming hard on the ground or doing some other pretty painful thing. =)
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  • I'm definitly a B-sider.

    the sheet is easier to find...AND you only touch the sheets you need.
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  • I prefer neither A nor B but instead to keep the roll off the holder altogether. Is that C or off the alphabet altogether?
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  • I never left a comment, but I f*ing love this site !!!!

    please continue !


    a french guy.
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  • B may appear more handy but usually when you try to tear the paper you either:

    a) rip apart the sheet, leaving fragments on the lid.

    b) doesn´t rip well, tube rolls and you end with more paper on your hands than you need.

    A is superior because it prevents unwanted rolling and it helps you to rip the sheet properly.
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  • This site is Awesome I havitsaved as a Favorte, and stuble acros it on my searc nd end up spendin hours Here !
    keep up the good work and don't use a wirelss keyboard as typos happen alot.
    the Wykeman
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  • If anybody knew anything about anything, they would surely see the vast difference in sanitary properties of each choice. B is superior. Be keeps the paper away from touching the wall ( which is of questionable cleanliness). If you need proof that B is superior, make note that in better hotels, the roll is in the B position, and the first sheet neatly folded into a point.

    The roll at all times should not touch any surface, so it stays sanitary. This would also insinuate, that any cat playtime with said roll would be a definite breach in sanitary condition....
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  • "note that in better hotels, the roll is in the B position"

    This is true, I worked at hotel and we had to place them in the B position. Most places I've worked which had public toilets also insist on the B position.

    You don't want to know what happens if you put it in a A position in a public toilet... Some people have no coordination when wiping their behind.
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  • Very cool - liked the time lapse of the Sun.
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  • Don't forget Jeff de Boer's amazing armor for cats and mice:
    http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2006/12/animal-armor-new-art-form.html?showComment=1167414420000
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  • I need a new mask...
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  • For the history minded, the longbow didn't do much against the French except goad them into a fight. The armor clad infantry were killed the old fashioned way: spears and clubs.
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  • true. it wasn't the longbows that killed them. the terrain played a huge part in that conflict. First, there was a bottleneck in the terrain, so the French knights weren't able to gain from their advantage in numbers. Second, the area became very muddy, thus, the armor not only slowed the knights down, but the sheer weight prevented those that went down/slipped from standing up. In contrast, the lightly armored Englishmen had better mobility and were able to cut down the (horribly) advancing French knights.
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  • "T'is but a flesh wound!"
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  • Henry VIII, eat your heart out.
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  • chain mail did not make a difference, they did not carry you off they battlefield on a stretcher in the middle agess. what a muppet.
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  • @anonymoous:
    >chain mail did not make a difference, they did not carry you off they battlefield on a stretcher in the middle agess. what a muppet.

    Of course. They just left their friends and brothers to die in the mud and the cold. Friendship and comraderie hadn't been invented yet, you know, in those days.
    /irony //just to be sure
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  • Excellent as always, Avi!

    For the next Funky Armours installment, don't forget Ned Kelly's infamous DIY plate armour...

    here's a link, complete with "inside the armour" video
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  • Just wanted to say wow, what a great article! I am a medieval buff but never looked at the history of armor.
    Can not wait to share this with my friends.


    Sari
    theviewfromsarisworld.blogspot.com
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  • There's nothing medieval at all about the first one with the face and eye-grills, and there are a large number of copies/fakes/fantasy in there but you've got lots of great originals too.
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  • But as weapons got more sophisticated during this Middle Ages arms race, smiths had to keep up, making their suits stronger, lighter, and more flexible until they'd reached the pinnacle of defense as well as offense

    Well, not so much. Suits got heavier as firearms came into popularity, until they were too heavy to be useful and still stop a bullet.

    (Thus "bullet proof", from being tested (proofed) by being shot, and successfully stopping the bullet.)

    Lighter armor is great against a thrusting weapon, assuming it can still stop it - but against a mass weapon or heavy impacts, heavier armor is more protective, as the mass of the armor will absorb impact.

    (This is observed by modern re-enactors; one can use titanium armor to reduce weight, but it doesn't absorb impact force very well.)
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  • Several photos here I've never seen before. I wasn't aware that Europeans ever created helmets made to emulate an actual face, but it seems they did. Interesting.
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  • If anyone is ever in NYC go to the metropolitan museum of art. they have an amazing collection of armor including full suits of armor for horses
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  • Early in the Hundred Year's War, longbows could easily take out a knight - provided he was within penetration range. At the beginning, this was anywhere from 50 to 200 yards, but towards the end of the war some armour became so heavy and strong that it was almost impossible to penetrate (aside from some weak sections such as the thin armour near the eye holes).

    The French knights got scrooged over mostly because they were riding horses which had nowhere near enough armour to protect them from an arrow, especially not the incredibly damaging broadhead arrows which longbowmen carried especially for killing horses.

    The horses would get hit, fall over. The knights, if they were lucky, would land safely and get on with the moving - but more often the knight would be hurt by the fall (he is in heavy, restrictive armour, after all).
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  • The longbow, it gets so much love that it seems many people have forgotten that the English actually LOST the 100 years war and that means the French WON the war. Unbelievable? believe it ;)
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  • What a great reference page, thanks for posting it!

    Meanwhile, Jesper is right - a longbowman could really mess up an armor'd knight's (er) day, regardless of terrain and weather.

    When folks such as Anon & raul talk about terrain acting as an advantage for longbowmen, they're usually thinking of Agincourt. True, the terrain at Agincourt was an undeniable advantage in that encounter, but it was by no means the only battle decided by longbows. Ask Harold of England in 1066... :)
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  • William the Conquerer did not use longbows and except for an arrow in Harolds Eye did not decide the outcome (he was wounded by the arrow but killed by Norman knights). The first major use of massed longbow fire was at the battle of Flakirk, which so impressed the English King with the slaughter of the lightly armoured scottish clansmen that they became a large section of every English Army ever since.

    There were nearly 10,000 English archers at Agincourt, if they each fired off 25 which is 1 quiver each thats a quarter of a million arrows.

    Around 10,000 French were killed. I group which is dedicated to the study and reenactment of this battle told me that more french drowned in the mud after wounds than were killed by arrows and that the English Infantry slaughtered the majority of the rest.

    Direct fire from Longbows is nasty but most english armies used showers of arrows which are much less effective against armor except against cavalry as it is almost impossible to give a horse the same protection as a man.
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  • Thank you for insightful comments, read with interest
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  • Am I the only on e who noticed that someone has written an article on ARMOUR and can't spell it.
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  • "Armor" is the Americal spelling. "Armour" is the British spelling.
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