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Thursday, August 16, 2007

Flying Submarines


"QUANTUM SHOT" #252
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Sky Captain's dream come true

Remember Franky's (Angelina Jolie) amphibious attack squadron from "Sky Captain: World of Tomorrow"? The idea of "fighter plane/submersible" combination has a long history in inventor's patents and the actual military research. It's not just "pulp fiction", but rather a fascinating account of the concept that US Navy is now getting ready to turn into reality.



(Artist's take on "Commander-2" successful testing in 1964)

Wild Soviet project, developed before World War II

It all started with a ground-breaking research by B. P. Ushakov, conducted by the Russian military in utter secrecy, between 1934 and 1938. The design never achieved a prototype stage, but was seriously considered for military application: the plane could fly 800 km at the speed of 200 km/h and could dive to 50 meters, having underwater speed of 3 knots.


(image credit: V. E. Bulba)



There's been some inventor activity across the ocean, as well. In 1945, the American inventor Houston Harrington filed a patent for "combination of airplane and submarine":


(image credit: Adventure Lounge)

The "submersible /airship" combination was an attractive idea for the military during World War II. The Japanese used small ("midget") submarines in combination with their air attack on Pearl Harbor. The Italians attacked British battleships in the Mediterranean harbor of Alexandria from the air and their "midget" submarines shortly thereafter. Even if relatively successful, these were suicide missions - but a compact flying sub could fulfill the task and bring their crew back home.

"It could fly from a favorable location to its destination at minimum altitude to avoid detection by radar. At the completion of its underwater mission it could travel as a submersible to a location best suited for takeoff, become airborne and return to base" (The Wilmington Morning News, 1964)

US Navy was playing with the idea in the 50s and 60s, coming quite close to actually making a prototype:

US Patent 2720367 from 1956 was even equipped with torpedoes:




(image credit: AP Wire)

Convair Division of General Dynamics Corp. received a Navy contract to test the feasibility of such a craft. The plane would be submerged by flooding of the wing, tail and hull compartments. It would travel 5 miles an hour under water, powered by batteries.

Don Reid's "Commander-1" actually was submerging and flying, in 1964

Don Reid, an electronics engineer, and independent defense contractor built "Commander-1" prototype, and then "Commander-2" which actually flew and was fully operational. First tests happened in 1964, with the speed of 4 knots while 2 meters underwater. Here is a technical split view, printed in the "Popular Mechanics"-like Russian magazine in 1965: (click to enlarge)





The story of this plane is told in "The Flying Submarine: The Story of the Invention of the Reid Flying Submarine, RFS-1," published in 2004 by Heritage Books Inc.


"The Cormorant" - modern take on the same idea

Today, the "flying sub" concept is very much alive, and even being considered by such heavy-weights as Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works (developers of the U-2 and Blackbird spy planes). This article details plans for an airplane that "starts and ends its mission 150 feet underwater"


(image credit: John MacNeil)

This gull-wing spy plane will operate in a fully stealth mode and will be launched from the Trident missile tubes of some huge nuclear sub. The logistics of launch and retrieval provide for the sub's secretive maneuvers, so that her location will not be given away. Once out of the water, the plane's rocket boosters fire and the Cormorant takes off. At the end of the mission, it's fetched by the robotic unit back into the submarine, deep underwater.

The dream of flying under the water and in the clouds is a noble one, and we'd like to see it fulfilled, not only for the military, but as a new and exciting future means of transportation. Just like the old military ekranoplans can one day serve as a step toward the beautiful "ground-effect" ocean liners.


(image credit: TM, 1965)

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6 Comments:

Anonymous John K. said...

I've stood under the Convair YF2Y-1 Seadart, a jet powered sea plane, at the San Diego Air and Space Museum so knowing that designers also thought"Hey, if the one land ON the water why can't we make one that goes UNDER the water?" is no great leap. It's still pretty amazing.

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Anonymous Clay Sills said...

Wow. I'd much rather have my tax dollars go for this kind of thing than socialized health care. Deadbeat babies or awesome flying attack stingrays? The choice isn't even close.

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Anonymous monk said...

very cool. but as someone else mentioned, sad that the latest artist-impressions are with war in mind. How about a clear-bodied version for the ultimate sight-seeing flight?

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

To those who bemoan the military applications of such ideas: recreation is great, but without ways to protect your right and freedom to recreate, there won't be much use for recreation equipment. I doubt that in a global caliphate the Supreme Leader would look kindly upon such decadent recreation. Yes, overall it is a sad fact that we must defend ourselves from those who have DECLARED INTENTIONS of subjugating and/or killing all free people, but nonetheless it is a fact. I too, wish we could all live in peace, but wishing it does not make it so (when other parties do not share that wish). Just ask my ex. :)

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

...the best thing the military ever came up with since jets. this is the best idea in a century.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

For a new vision of a future with flying submarines - check out http://empirethefilm.com/html/empire_-_mecha.html

Its a story/series where supercavition submarines aer also equiped to fly. Cool graphics if nothing else.

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  • HOT!!!
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  • interesting stories... thanks
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  • I was looking at that German truck with the tube; The tube is the truck's own load which came from behind through the cab because of some abrupt braking.
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  • the tanker through the ice is the drivers fault,it is a petro haul truck and the driver was told the ice was to thin for the weight he was hauling.he decided to go anyway and was charged,this was a truck from alberta canada
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  • The ice road tanker incident occured crossing the Mackensie River at Fort Providence. It was early in the season before the ice thickened and the road was restricted to 4000kg. The driver missed or ignored the limit sign but still managed to drive his 40,000(?) kg truck several hundred meters before sinking. From the NWT DOT website. 2001?
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  • Good info guys, I updated the post.
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  • The first "Drowned" photo appears to be Interstate 10 somewhere in Houston Tx, in 2001 a tropical storm flooded much of the city, leaving underpasses such as the one shown with as much as 20 feet of water in them.
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  • Love the site.

    Put these coordinates into Google Maps, and you can see the machines in the satellite view.

    latitude: 55.26821191135916
    longitude: 38.81821632385254

    I have too much time on my hands.
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  • Wow! Those old machines make my welder's heart go pitty-pat! I make "found" metal art and those babies would keep me busy for a whole lotta years. Looks like the Russian countryside is pretty, doesn't it?
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  • Forests in Central Russia have much in common with old English forests, quiet small rivers, practically pristine lakes and rolling hills. Not bad, but there are some creepy places, ghost villages and weird strangers. Be prepared for lots of surprises.
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  • These are really spectacular photos! I spent a summer touring Russia with an orchestra, and I saw a great number of hulking Soviet relics dotting the countryside.
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  • These photos are fantastic! This old machines are fearful and marvellous!
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  • I can barely look at some of those pix - some ppl have no fear of heights!!

    Great collection!
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  • As this post about dangerous roads has evolved into a Norway fjords article, I feel the need to share this cute video from YouTube on BASE jumping - ladybanana will be able to see some more people with no fear at all!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAWrt1dwbSY
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  • THIRD!
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  • Thanks for the link to my "When Sermons Go Awry" page! You're right. Traffic rockets!

    Good thing I got my site back up and running last night!

    Rich.
    BlogRodent
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  • Passo Stelvio is often used in Giro d'Italia - it's incredible, people actually race there on bikes.. Where a normal man would have problems getting there by car ;)
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  • Maybe the first post of a new serie "The Most Beautiful Road of the World" ?
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  • Wowie! What breathtaking shots! I don't have a fear of heights, but a couple of those pictures made me gasp out loud! I would really like to know how those bicyclists manage those drops! wild
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  • Amazing photos, once again. I have to visit some of these places, truly breathtaking.
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  • The road between Villard Notre Dame and Villard Reymond in the French Alps west of Grenoble and south of Vizille is the scariest road I have ever driven, period, and I have driven some very scary mountain roads (to say nothing of driving over a bridge in Costa Rica that we had to help repair in order to get over it).

    Just getting up to Villard Notre Dame was hair-raising, with a poorly-maintained, dark, rock-strewn tunnel. The death road itself hadn't been maintained in years, and there was at least one place where I know our right-side tires were not 100% on the roadway, and there was at least--at least!--at thousand-foot sheer drop to our right. But we couldn't back up, couldn't turn around, could only press forward hoping that the road would not get any narrower because of rockslides & all. Had there been, we would have had to hire some kind of heavy-duty helicopter to airlift our car to a safe place. Or abandon it forever.

    The moral is, if you arrive at a road with gated entrance, and there's a sign there stating "if you take this road, your auto insurance is not applicable," you should really, truly take a different route, no matter how much you hate the thought of back-tracking.
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  • mofembot:
    Thank you for the great comment... I will definitely investigate and include in following issues. Cheers.
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  • The boulder wedged into the cliffs with two people standing on it is Kjerag Bolten not Pulpit Rock (Preikestolen.
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  • Wow that Lysebotn Hairpin sequence gives me o very mixed feeling indeed...

    After diving my motorcycle down from the visitors center, the "normal" curve in between two hairpins suprised me and I crashed quite hard.

    I suppose a angel was on my shoulder: after kicking back the bent parts of my bike I was able to drive on, down trough the underground hairpin.... wow.

    Jan Los - NL
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  • Check the road on Saba - NA
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  • Great collection of roads there. An odd one I'd like to add is the Nürburgring Nordschleife. It's a racetrack that's open to the paying public. Anyone willing to risk his (in rare cases also her) life can book laps and do so with his own ride. It is dubbed the green hell because it goes on for 20 kilometers through wooded hills, often including rain or fog. It is said that there is one fatality per week. Most of these would me motorcyclists.

    There is the scary story of a biker that had an accident throwing him and his machine into the woods. Although not killed in the crash, he died there because nobody noticed the accident.

    Although it's not a road for transportation I think it's worth a mention.

    There are also some pretty scary roads in morocco crossing the atlas mountains. These include dangerous traffic as well.
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  • oweh, this is an interesting tip - will see if it fits in next part. Thank you!
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  • here's the Russian biker video
    http://www.azfreeride.com/?q=node/276
    Crazy!
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