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Thursday, August 06, 2009

Jet Engines on Trucks (For Fun and Profit)


"QUANTUM SHOT" #583
Link - by Avi Abrams



Snow-Blowers From Hell, and more...

The picture of a rusted Soviet truck with a mounted jet engine (see our recent Biscotti issue) provoked lots of interest from our readers, so we decided to make a full page about such monstrous machinery.

First of all, full disclaimer - they're not dormant Decepticons or armies of malevolent AI ready to tackle the world at the first notice. They are simply snow-blowers and jet-dryers used at some Russian airports, like the ones shown below - with Klimov VK-1 engines taken from MiG-15 planes.




(photo by S. Bednaruk)

These machines are still used to remove snow from runways, and in some cases, for de-icing of planes in Russia. The engine is a MiG-15 or MiG-17 radial compressor engine with a lengthened jet exhaust.

Another variation on the same idea, using different truck model -


(image credit: Sergei Tsvetkov)

NASCAR uses jet dryers to dry race track after rain .. here is a video of one that blew the asphalt apart.

Eric Chipchase writes to us: "During the 1960's a number of MiG-15's were used by the Polish State Railways to clear the tracks of ice and snow (the rear fuselage and wings were removed and the engine was operated from the cockpit)" Similar set-ups were used to remove ice from railroad tracks and railroad switches in the permafrost areas (in Siberia, and even in East Germany during the harsh winters) -


(image via Erik Chipchase)

Some our readers suggested that such jet-equipped machines could've been used for extinguishing oil well fires, for example in Kuwait (with water injected into a jet turbine for fire suppression). The reality turned out to be even more fantastic: Hungarian inventors actually attached a couple of jet engines to a tank's turret!


Inventor: Wolfhart Willimczik, image via

"Some new methods were used. Early on, teams used liquid nitrogen to smother fires. A team from Hungary put two jet engines on top of a captured Iraqi tank and introduced water into the stream of gas the jets produced, blowing a high-velocity fog at the fires and essentially blowing them out" /NY Times Online/

See the amazing video of this tank monster in action.


Other Jet and Turbine-Powered Trucks

We've all seen jet trucks made just for show (and we already linked once to a jet engine mounted on a pick-up truck, on a smaller scale). Here is one of the more ambitious ones - "Shockwave" triple-engine jet truck (featured recently on the Dicovery Channel) -



(images credit: Dieter Schaefer, ShockwaveJets)

"The ShockWave Jet Truck runs over 300 mph racing airplanes at airshows; holds the world record in a quarter mile for trucks at 256 mph in just 6.36 seconds; and holds the world record for full size trucks at 376 mph as recorded by Guinness Book of World Records. At 36,000 horsepower, the ShockWave has enough power to accelerate at 3 Gs vertical, which is as much as the Space Shuttle!" (source)

"Super Shockwave" twin-jet engine retro-styled truck:


(image via)

...and a "Super Chief Jet Train" -


(image via)

Hawaiian jet-powered fire truck, owned by Davidson Racing (more info) -


(image via)

Fire truck, equipped with MiG jet engine (more info)


(images via)

According to WebUrbanist, it houses the largest turbine motor in a land vehicle anywhere in the world, which is so big that water tanks had to be removed from the vehicle... which renders the whole effort pretty useless in real life situations.

Here is another jet truck, this time from Texas:


(image credit: Leted)

The "World's Fastest Ambulance" is described here (the engine takes all the space inside the vehicle, so there is no space left for the patient)


(images via)

Outisde of sheer record-breaking and show appearances, the efforts were made in the U.S. (and behind the Iron Curtain) to come up with gas turbine-powered trucks. Kenworth, for example, had a few trucks outfitted with a Boeing gas turbine engine:



it almost looks like this Kenworth truck (a gas turbine prototype from 1950) is driving without a motor - due to the extremely low profile of a turbine inside.


(images: Time / Life, via)

Chevrolet Bison, 1964 - another iteration of turbine-powered futuristic truck (almost as outlandish in looks at the time, as designs by Luigi Colani - see here). Its two turbines are located just above the cabin:


(image via)


While over in Russia...

Check out this centipedal monstrosity - perhaps the biggest of Soviet trucks designed to carry ballistic nuclear weapons, also sporting a turbo-jet power. This is MAZ-7907: 30 meters long, 24x24 chassis, build in Minsk, Belorus. Read our coverage of the rest of such "ballistic" Russian trucks - Part 1 and Part 2


(image via)

The turbo-engine produced 1250 h.p., giving this "truck" a maximum load of 150 tons. By the way, Russia even had jet-powered (gas turbine) tanks during the 1970s - T80 went into production in 1976.

We wrote about Jet Train idea and its implementation in Russia and U.S. before (see our article Jet-Powered and Other Futuristic Trains). Here is a more recent image of Soviet jet train car, which was put up as a monument in a city of Tver.



(image credit: Vesher7)

The jet train car above was restored and kept as a monument, the rusted car shown below (made by Kalinin train factory), was not so fortunate:




Speaking about monuments and sculptures, this jet truck "thing of beauty" was found by Duncan Hull:


(image credit: Duncan Hull)

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COMMENTS::

18 Comments:

Anonymous Will said...

Awesome, great post Avi.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I mentioned in the last post, these vehicles are also used for bio/chem/nuc decontamination. Just google "TMS-65"

Here is a youtube video of one in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBI43LKuW00

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

So many childhood fantasies come amazingly true. I can't believe things this awesome have a place in the real world. Thanks for the excellent post.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, the M1 Abrams Tank is also driven by a turbine.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

The US military powers tanks, helicoptors, and various ships with jet turbines.

http://www.military-today.com/navy/ticonderoga_class_cruiser.htm
Propulsion 4 x General Electric LM2500 gas turbines delivering 80 000 shp to two shafts

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

the second one looks really phallic.

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Anonymous Bruce Colthart (@bccreative) said...

I was lucky enough to be right on the track, for some drag racing back in the eighties. Using years-old press passes my friend had, a group of us loaded cameras and empty camera cases around our necks and got full pit access. That night's theme, "jet cars under the stars," featured a truck cab with huge turbine engine like one you pictured. I'll never forget the high velocity air blast – or the taste of jet exhaust – as that thing launched. YeeeeeHaw!!!

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Blogger Thomas Balzamo said...

I want one!!!

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Blogger carlosmessi said...

Amazing articles, amazing power, amazing. Wow but except for blowing snow we will all agree that this is not at all useful. I suppose also that it hurts the environment a lot. Let's keep everything real even when we want to amaze ourselves. Thank you.

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Blogger Bananmannen said...

Gasturbines are great for various applications! Nevertheless, the fuel consumption is very guzzling. But the construction is very reliable. Anyway, great photos of some heavy machinery!

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Blogger Bob Tomasso said...

Andy Granatelli had a 1967Studebaker STP Special in the Indy 500. Gas turbine engine. Driven by Parnelli Jones.

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Blogger Bob Tomasso said...

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Anonymous ujanja said...

Oh! Yah, the fire engine companies should really think about this system. It may be costly but the job will get done for sure!

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Anonymous przedszkole said...

ciekawe co będziemy "podziwiać" za 20 lat :)

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Greyhound had turbine buses in the early 1970s. They were wonderful to ride in. But they didn't have the fuel economy of diesels and were doomed when the oil crunch hit in 1974.

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Anonymous Blackshark said...

"Actually, the M1 Abrams Tank is also driven by a turbine."

Yes, but not a jet engine turbine, smartass.

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Anonymous B Loco said...

One of the toughest problems with jet engines is dealing with the very high temperature exhaust. In the picture above, you can see that the Kenworth truck exhaust pipe has melted the top left corner of the trailer it was hauling! Hilarious!

When Jay Leno was talking about his jet-powered motorcycle, he said that if anyone started tailgating you, just wait until you are at a stop light and then roll the motorcycle backwards until their bumper melts. :)

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Impossible. that is a dent in the metal,
the vent pipe points upwards and not at the trailer.

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  • It's for putting out oil well fires. There's a more bad-ass one out there that's mounted on a tank chassis.
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  • Or maybe in this case it's used to de-ice planes.
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  • It might also be a jet-engine snowblower. I've seen something similar used on the railroad.
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  • that is a Klimov VK-1 out of a Mig 15 they are used to remove snow from runways. I have never seen them used for oil fires that is usually done with explosives. That thing would just feed a fire like crazy plus the exhaust out of it is hot enough to ignite the oil.
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  • Sorry to disappoint, but the smiley factory is another t-shirt. http://www.threadless.com/product/1943/Smiley_Factory.
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  • The "Monstrous Machine Found Somewhere in Russia" is a de-icing machine. Definitely looks like a locally designed and manufactured machine... An old jet engine mounted on a truck. Oh wow. how loud would that be?
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  • at the end of the Kuwait war there were a lot of methods tried to extinguish the oilwell fires set by the Iraqis as they fled. One thrown together by the russians was a tank with a couple of jet engines mounted on the turret. When the engines were up to speed and pointed at the burning oilwell, high pressure water was pumped in, in place of the afterburner. This sprayed extremely high pressure water onto the fire and just snuffed them out. It was fantastic to watch.
    This truck looks like a cutdown version of the above.
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  • Picture of the old jet engine used for 'defrosting' airplanes - http://www.airliners.net/photo/UTAir-Aviation/Tupolev-Tu-134A-3/1019076/L/&sid=5a256d810e4899417eb10f7f6200a871
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  • Yeah, a de-icing machine. The enginge is a MiG-15 or MiG-17 radial compressor engine with just a lengthened jet, it's not an after burner. There's still a tank-truck needed for an hour of work.

    Such machines have been used to remove ice especially from rails and railroad switches in the permafrost areas in siberia. But in some cases other eastern europe countries realized the same technical idea very fast. They had several of these machines in East Germany in the very hard winter of 79/80. My father did run such a thing as a flight ingeneer.
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  • I've got that t-shirt, its awesome.

    Made by the mountain www.themountain.com
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  • The team with the jets on tank chassis was not Russian, but Hungarian, and it worked with high pressure fog:

    "Some new methods were used. Early on, teams used liquid nitrogen to smother fires. A team from Hungary put two jet engines on top of a captured Iraqi tank and introduced water into the stream of gas the jets produced, Mr. Heischman said, blowing a high-velocity fog at the fires and 'essentially blowing them out.'" /NY Times Online/
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  • here is a video of that tank:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyGDxglTVgA
    seems to be quite effective.
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  • With regards to the jet engine on the truck. It has a number of uses already mentioned. One that wasn't included is chemical/biological decontamination. Chemicals/liquids are injected into the stream to render chem/bio agents inert.

    For those saying it can't be used to snuff out a fire, how do you extinguish a candle on a birthday cake? ;^) A fire can't burn unless it has the right concentration of oxygen...
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  • Maybe it's a the leaf-blower-from-hell? My penny is on de-icing (melting)or better just removal of snow (just blowing it away and melt the rest).


    If i remember correctly the devices for fighting oil-well fires have more thrust (more/bigger jet-engine) and are armoured against the heat of the fire, this thing will melt before it gets close enough (looking at the downward angle of the engine this makes sense).
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  • The truck with the "backward" jet engine as a snout is a de-icing system. While the West worked on fluids the Soviets use old jet engine, whose exhaust was hot enough to melt the snow and ice and dry the surface of a plane's wings as well.
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  • Thank you guys for all the info about this "leaf-blower from hell" :)

    will update soon
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    I think such machines was active there.
    BR Mike
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  • What a great article, Simon. I just have to find the one with 'Crap Beer'. You know that will draw in more people than it will repel!
    Oh and Whiskey, as soup of the day. Must be in Scotland!

    ~Nick Burman
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  • Other common ones in the UK are The Star, The Green Man and The White Lion.
    I grew up in a small village, with approx 30 houses, one church, and 4 pubs either in the village or nearby. Not a bad average! It is easy to see why the village pub was often the centre of village life - and indeed, most pubs were built in the immediate vicinity of the church. There was The County Members (in the village), The Royal Oak (Newinngreen), The Welcome Stranger (Court-At-Street), and the Shipbuilder's Arms (West Hythe). The latter was named when it was a port, although it is now come 2 miles from the sea. Sadly, a lot of English pubs have been either closed, or taken over by huge 'gastropub' chains, and the names changed from the historical ones to such stupidities as 'The Frog & Nightgown' and 'The Pitcher & Piano'
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  • Good 'un.

    I've been intrigued, if mildly, by this for years. Started when in a novel the detective-hero pontificated on the subject, tracing many to religious themes: e.g. "The Goat and Compasses" did not refer to a sea-faring nanny but to the "God Encompasseth" sermon subject.
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  • how about the Famous Cock in Islington, London?
    I will take a picture tomorrow, just have to cross the road :)
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  • The first Golden Fleece picture looks an awful lot like my local, hmmm...
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  • As the inn sign artist responsible for the Fox & Hounds (on the far left of the 'Sporting' three), its nice to see such interest in an otherwise waning tradition. I hadn't actually seen a photo of it in its place until now, so thanks for that!
    I also have painted a Prince Albert from the same portrait as the one above, but using the whole image. I hand-paint everything and all my signs are unique, but some on this page are stock library images, digitally printed onto vinyl stickers and appearing on different signs for pubs with the same name.
    I wouldn't be so bold as to advertise on this board but if you want to visit my website, Google my name!
    Cheers, Nick Hallard
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    Nicolette
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  • The "Crap Beer, Bad Hospitality" etc one is in Bradford-on-Avon, Wiltsthire.

    B-o-A also has a good line in pubs with bad canal-related puns as names (may or may not be deliberate):

    The Lock Inn (i.e. after-hours drinking session)
    The Barge Inn (i.e. crash through the doors)

    Bonus pun pub:
    The Dandy Lion (picture of a swaggering lion in a waistcoat, top hat, etc)
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  • I've been in the bear & rugged staff, it's in Bristol. Fabulous place!
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  • It's really interesting, especially because I'm visiting England in 1 month.
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  • "Oh and Whiskey, as soup of the day. Must be in Scotland"

    Whisky is spelt without an 'e' in Scotland.
    Maybe a Scottish theme pub though :-)
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  • Love your photos of Englands pub signs. Great photography of a very interesting subject. Like the lighting and play on color.
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  • Wow, this is one of the most thorough explanations I've read on the history of the pub sign. Makes me admire even more the craftsmanship that I for one always thought was cool. Wish we had more chances to design and make signs like these..
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  • Wealdstone has "The Case is altered" - something of a mystery as the sign shows a pair of flamenco dancers.
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  • Map lovers, visit Fascinating Ancient Maps. You can frame the works, and it would make an amazing an amazing wall decor.

    Nicolette
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  • Great pictures! But how could you miss this one -
    http://www.dauntless-soft.com/PRODUCTS/Freebies/NoseArt/santa-plane.jpg
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  • One of the "Tornado" jets is a MiG-29. Never mind, nice pictures :-)
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    http://tinyurl.com/lxr9r5
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  • nevermind, you were right I was wrong. It actually is BULGARI with an U
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  • Gorgeous stuff! Is that a Mig? I thought it was an F-18? Still pretty.
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  • Hard to imagine the extra weight this adds to aircraft, not to mention extra drag as opposed to a polished aluminum skin. Extra weight + drag = higher fuel consumption = more $$$.
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  • That Astraeus plane was indeed painted for Iron Maiden, last year. It was co-piloted by singer Bruce Dickinson, who is a commercial pilot for Astraeus when not with Iron Maiden.
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  • On the subject of famous people on aircraft it's worth mentioning that the man on the tail of Alaska Airlines' regular planes is William Seward, who as Secretary of State arranged the purchase of Alaska from Russia.
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  • Tal vez quieras añadir a Bar Rafaeli

    Maybe you want add Bar Rafaeli
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  • One note on semantics: The paint scheme of any airliner (special or not) is known as "livery" -- more specifically, airlines have "liveries", and gthe airliners are painted in it. What you are showing are "Special" or "Commemorative" liveries.

    Militaries have been doing this sort of thing for decades. The Canadian Forces, for example, have a long history of commemorative paint schemes, including several quite famous schemes for the CF-104 Starfighter (at least half a dozen different tiger-striped ones over the course of two decades, for example) and a quite spectacular blue, white and gold CF-18 scheme celebrating 100 years of flight in Canada.
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  • that is indeed a Mig-29 Germany acquired two squadrons of them when they reunited.
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  • Qoute GaryM: Hard to imagine the extra weight this adds to aircraft, not to mention extra drag as opposed to a polished aluminum skin. Extra weight + drag = higher fuel consumption = more $$$.

    Not really, even the aircraft with a "polished aluminium skin" have several coats of paint (albeit clear paint) on them. It protects the metal against the weather and against UV-radiation.

    Aircraft "paint" (it's more a kind of polyurethane coating)is very specialized, it's adapted to the kind of flights the aircraft is going to do. A short-haul aircraft will have a different paint than a long-haul intercontinental jet. Also a lot of airlines have their own mix of paint suited for their operation.

    But in a way you are correct, an unpainted plane would be lighter and therefore cheaper to operate. But the aircraft will unprotected and will have a much, much shorter lifetime. And planes are quite expensive to replace ;)
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  • Very nice pictures!
    Thanks for sharing ;)
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  • This guy catches every rare things come to chitose AP
    http://www.lnet.ne.jp/~aaa/sub186.html
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  • after testing by german luftwaffe and other nato alliance partners the mig 29 jets were delivered to the polish air force in 2003
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  • Actually you are incorrect Nils, American Airlines does not use a clear coat paint. The surface is polished aluminum. The planes get polished at the Main Base Visit heavy checks with what looks like a large shoe polisher on the end of a weed eater. It saves an incredible amount of weight and wear is not much of a problem due to the oxidation of the aluminum. As far as drag is concerned, a well done paint job can actually reduce the drag slightly over polished aluminum because rivet heads and seams can get filled smooth (but I re-iterate that it must be a very good paint job). One of the dilemma's AA has is what to do with the composite 787.
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  • Does anyone know if these liveries are painted or are they done in a similar way to vehicle wraps? Since nobody is going to be that close, I can imagine the detail isn't important, but the cost of hand painting an area that large, versus printing on a decal and applying it, would be astronomical.

    ~Nick
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  • The "Mummy Plane" is Iron Maiden's jet from their "Somewhere Back In Time" Tour.

    Otherwise known as Flight 666 and flown by Bruce Dickenson himself.

    Shame on you! "Mummy Plane"... I mean, REALLY.
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  • Hello Kitty plane. Inside and out.

    http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1247/1475944817_d200ffcaaa_o.jpg

    http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1247/1475944817_d200ffcaaa_o.jpg

    Some heart plane :
    http://www8.thomascook.info/tck/downloads/willybird_landung_fra_290306_3.jpg

    And one more Mickey Mouse :
    http://www.alaskasworld.com/newsroom/asnews/images/disney_hi.jpg
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  • Probably the same way the us flag on Saturn V was: a giant sticker - so yeah, probably vinyl and making sure there's no bubbles
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  • To add to the above, I can't see them hiring a bunch high rated artists to do some photorealistic jobs, so there's your answer.
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  • Hi everybody, For more details on German Wings Airlines like airlines information, history, destinations, fleets, Thomas Cook Airlines phone numbers, code share agreement and baggage information visit "Altiusdirectoy.com". This URL may be useful.

    http://www.altiusdirectory.com/Travel/german-wings-airlines.php
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  • There can't be stickers on planes because the speeds are so high. Even normal paint would peel off a plane.

    Does that mean that every one of those people had to be painted on, not decals?
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  • Eddie for ever Metal forever
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  • That weird coin is 1 Lats from Latvia (http://www.bank.lv/eng/main/all/lvnaud/coin/1lats/puce/).

    "An owl fibula is featured in the centre of the coin, with the numeral 1 and the inscription LATS placed on the left and right side of it respectively".
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  • The Latvian Banks Collector coins are even more strange. Fully valid currency.

    http://www.bank.lv/eng/main/all/lvnaud/jubmon/nmp/

    Another wierd story is about the swedish artist who forged 9 pieces of swedish 10 kr coins and spred them into use. They are made out of 10.7 grams of 18 carat gold.

    http://www.dn.se/ekonomi/vissa-mynt-ar-guld-som-glimmar-1.608380

    (sorry, it's swedish but you could try google translate - http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=sv&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fekonomi%2Fvissa-mynt-ar-guld-som-glimmar-1.608380&sl=sv&tl=en&history_state0= )
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  • The camp chimney sweep is my favourite.

    http://www.bank.lv/images/img_lb/naudas/images/lats/1_ls_skurstenslaukis_rev.gif
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  • Check out Vienna... took down their walls and built a beautiful ring road. Good thinking.
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  • http://www.desicolours.com/top-view-of-forts-in-maharashtra/17/06/2008
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  • @anonymous

    a beautiful ring road????

    how strange to call that beautiful
    thank God for living in the Netherlands where we don't do that
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  • one of the most beautiful walled cities I've ever seen is Aigues-Mortes, partially because it never really outgrew it's walls, so it still has the "in-here vs out-there feeling"

    there are also plenty of post-medieval dutch fortifications, known as the "waterlinie", such as Woerden, which was also a roman and medieval city with castles and all, only 20KM from Utrecht

    and many more forts in that style, such as Bourtange (also one of the most beautiful places I've ever been)
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  • In Verona, Italy there are three walls, Roman, Middle Ages and Austrian-Hungarian.
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  • How could you overlook Mont St Michel? It's a walled city, still functional today (though its main business today is tourism, plus some income from the surrounding floodplain pasturage), between Normandy and Brittany. The first fortifications were built by William the Conqueror, and it was added onto bit by bit. It was a penal colony for a while, and a monastery for much longer. Today, it is an actual city -- there are people who live there full-time, though they must feel a bit odd with all the tourists tramping around all the time. Carcasonne is another noteworthy walled city, in the south of France, and people still live in it as well.

    While the ancient fortifications of London are not easily visible (apart from the Tower, and some influence on the way roads sprang up), the fortifications of Paris are easier to find. Some sections of medieval wall still stand, and the major routes into the city proper are in the same positions as the ancient portals -- and indeed, are referred to as "portes" even when the ancient archway is no longer present (though in many cases the arch is still there, along with a good bit of wall).
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  • Calli Arcade - thank you, good point. We did however write about Mont St.Michel - see this DRB page
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  • The The Walled City of Lahore reminds me of Labyrinth. Does anyone else see the connection?
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  • Another German city that still retains a good portion of its fortress wall is Rothenburg on der Tauber, also famous for the legendary Meistertrunk, a flagon of beer that, when drunk in one draught by one of the city fathers, saved the town during the Hundred Years War. The event is portrayed on a clock tower, reenacted every year, and numerous tourist trinkets celebrate it. Oh yeah; the town also hosts the original Kriskindlmarkt, or Christmas store, of Kathe Wolfahrt. The store is open year-round, except on Christmas.

    Talk about a busy town!
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  • Actually the Maginot Line was 100% successful. The Germans never breached it. Unfortunately it did not extend past the Belgian border. That's not an indictment of fortifications. That's an indictment of stupid politics.
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  • I can't find the amazing Map of Utrecht from "Toonneel der Steden" on the source site you list.

    Do you have a different source site?

    I'm very interested in maps of that period.
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  • Also worth mentioning: The old city of Rhodes, see http://www.rhodes.gr/portal_gr/photos/images/air01_hires.jpg
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  • @Alex: 100% is definitely incorrect, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line#German_invasion_in_World_War_II
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  • Gostei muito,achei fantastico pena que aqui no Brasil não tem arquitetura desse tipo.
    Um Abraço
    Patricio Antonio
    patrcio-a@hotmail.com
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  • Another walled city is in Kowloon, Hong Kong.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Walled_City
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  • Honolulu is older than St Augustine. I suspect a number of US cities have been continually occupied since before Europeans showed up.
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  • Derry city in Ireland is worth a mention :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derry
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  • I'm days late on this, but it's a shame that you didn't mention Nanjing, China. I don't know if this is true but their Ming dynasty city wall claims to be the longest ever built at over 33km. Whether or not that was true, the many hundreds of years of building & strengthening the wall and its implications during the Rape of Nanking make it rather significant. China also continues to spend a lot of money to keep it in good repair
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  • About the pictures of Naarden and Heusden (with the star fortifications), I'm pretty sure they were designed by Vauban. So if you wanna see more of them, look him up. Vauban and some pictures here
    And to Alex Epstein, Rommel smashed right though the Maginot line, look it up.
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  • You forgot Québec, Canada

    "Quebec City was declared a World Heritage Site by UNESCO in 1985, and is the only remaining fortified city north of Mexico"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Quebec_City_Wall.jpg
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  • Thessaloniki, Greece has some of the best surviving walls dating from Roman to Byzantine Empires.
    Imagine a inverted C shaped wall going from ocean to ocean in Santa Barbara, California. Ringing the city in the mountains, in multiple layers as the city grew. The view from the fortifications down onto the Thermaic Gulf is pretty incredible.
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  • Pingyao (china) is also worth mentioning. Beautiful city which looks as old as her mighty city walls. Like nobody ever crossed the walls since they were constructed.
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  • Can you imagine how the builders felt when they got done building the wall and the king said, "Ya' know, I think we should build ANOTHER wall in front of the one you just built, so start that first thing in the morning." ahahhahhhhhaaaa
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  • What about Jerusalem? At least the Old City, a UNESCO World Heritage site.

    http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/148

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_City_of_Jerusalem
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  • where is Istanbul?
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  • should check out Derry, Ireland

    http://www.derryswalls.com/hist-walled-cities.html
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  • I've never understood stamp collecting. I'll admit some of them are very cool and I'm sure that it isn't easy to make but it just doesn't appeal to me. Different folks, different strokes.
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  • MOON NINJAS!@@!!!!@!$@!#!
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  • @Anonymous
    "MOON NINJAS!@@!!!!@!$@!#!"

    that looks more like Mars in the background to me....
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  • My dad has collected thousands of Soviet stamps throughout his youth. It is so exciting everytime to have a look at them. They are simply epic, especially the ones with the theme of space exploration and animals.
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  • I think we're one of the few countries in the world with such a wide range of accents, especially when relative to our size. We're also one of the few countries in the world that hates those to the north or south of us.
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