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Tuesday, October 21, 2008

Dolls and Toys that Creep us Out


"QUANTUM SHOT" #489
Link - Article by Avi Abrams, based on the material by Dee Shihab


WARNING! Disturbing subject matter!

The Doll Purgatory

Hardly a place intended to kids, this hellish eternity exists in the Neverworld - a doomed miserable place, where all frightening toys and dolls get sent to (by the benevolent higher powers) and - hopefully - never come out to see the light of day.


(image credit: Olak2)

Ever since our "Nightmare Playgrounds" series got popular, we were asked to make a list of the most creepy and scary dolls that kids (and often their parents) get to enjoy and play with. So far you've seen some really frightening mannequins and crazy toys (as part of this page). But now we are going to heat up things a notch and spook you (in time for Halloween) with the ultimate bad and rejected toy creations.

Should we start with the scariest?



This denizen of the shadow world has a nickname: "Attack Monkey Baby" (Lord has mercy on its poor soul)

This one is up for adoption. Or not -


(doll from Noelle Hunt)

Sightless vintage dolls make good gifts for Halloween:


(image left: Monkeyshines; photo on the right is by Simon)


(images credit: Simon)

Most of the rest of doll purgatory population comes from developing countries where toys are not only ugly from the beginning, but also get to be abused for much longer time than their western buddies:


(image credit: Chrissy)


(right: photo by Simon)

The picture on the right, however, is taken inside an American flea market. Not that much different from Ukrainian heads on the left. Asian toys can be surreal, too:


(image credit: Monkeyshines)

Flickr abounds in photo pools with this subject matter: Unloved Toys, Scary Dolls, The Island of Lost Toys, Strange Toys... Go explore them and come back sane.

Here is one quintessential example:


(image credit: Fallin for Stella)

Every toy manufacturer has its "blond moment" sometime, but most re-compose themselves, fight a few lawsuits if necessary, and get back on track quickly.

"Horrified B-Movie Victims", buy it here:


(image credit: baronbob.com)

At first I did not see the bear and thought that these guys are actually fleeing from theater after seeing some really atrocious B-movie. One of them almost looks like Roger Ebert.

"Melting Babies" Candle Holders:


(image credit: charlesandmarie.com)

No comment. Order them here and watch them melt. There are also creepy baby lamps you can buy.

Hitler has been made into a toy statue. There is no toy Stalin yet, to my knowledge.



Nuclear Bomb Toys. Yes, very detailed, and you can choose from the whole catalog of them on the site:



These must be the art dolls (deliberately made to scare the bejesus out of you) -


(top right - doll by Karen Woodiel, others unknown)

The Queen of Art Dolls - Shaylee (from KryptKiddies), with a half-formed Pinocchio next to her side:


(images credit: KryptKiddies)

There are plenty of vampire dolls and devil babies toys on the market, but one could easily expect that. We are going more for the "what the heck!?" factor. Or even more far out stuff, like this alien green slime squid cyclop from Japan:


(image credit: TokyoCube)

Put this toy on top of your computer monitor and no boss would dare to come to you (without having second thoughts). And yes, it glows in the dark.

Robot Dog (one seriously hacked toy) -


(image credit: Don Pezzano)

"Horrible Sweet" series of art dolls (buy them here)



(image credit: horriblesweet.com)

Fake Babies - Pretend Baby Toys

Some of them are not toooooo bad... You could even consider them a cute sculpture art project (these are the ones made by Reborn Baby)


(image credit: Reborn Baby)

Pretty hard to tell the difference, isn't it? Well, that's the whole point - as people who can't get little babies otherwise get to play with these toys and show them off to their neighbours... Watch the video about this widespread phenomenon here

Some other "fake baby" toys are not so realistic (at least they make realistic sound - more info) -


(image credit: baronbob.com)

Tarzan did not escape the idiocy of some nameless manufacturer. Watch it at your own risk:


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The Doll That Trumps Them All (and in the darkness rules them)

Funny how the creepiest thing in the world is the laughter that fails to stop.


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This article is written by Avi Abrams, based on the material submitted by Dee Shihab from HolyCool. Images via 1, 2, 3

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COMMENTS:

14 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, I'd love one of those Hitler dolls. As a target, on my BB gun shooting range...

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Blogger alvarhillo said...

Oh my God! where did you found these pictures. They are really creepy. I like them.

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Anonymous Will said...

Wow, I like those mini nukes.

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Blogger Fandango said...

Uncanny valley for that fake baby.

I once walked by a remote abandoned house, and in the bushes, in the rain, was a collection of naked dolls like those first pictures up here, missing eyes, limbs, heads... Creepiest thing I ever saw.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh lord, that "baby laugh-a-lot" ad is pure evil. Is it for real?

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't know why, but I've always been creeped out by dolls.

I put together a slide show of your pics with some music (hope you don't mind). I added a few other creepy dolls I found on the web.

http://heylookhear.com/Image/creepy

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Blogger jaBen said...

There is a small island in mexico City where the ownwer tried to protect himself from evil ghosts with creepy dolls.
Have a look:
http://nimraithkar.blogspot.com/2005/06/un-lugar-de-misterio-dentro-de-un.html

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mexad/2148018278/

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

My godfather-in-law outfits his Kentucky home with an astounding display of macabre baby doll folk art.

That link just gives a glimpse. You can Google the guy for more - but you really have to visit the property to get the full impression.

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Anonymous Mlopez Graphicfusion said...

How wonderfully horrifying

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Blogger Grumpus said...

I'm glad you touched upon those realistic "Reborn" dolls -- the whole psychology behind those things is fucked up.

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Anonymous Karenw said...

Hey! You've got one of my dolls pictured here (the toothy baby). I make lots of scary dolls and display them at halloween. You can see some here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lagrotesquerie/sets/72157606203236996/

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Blogger Avi Abrams said...

Karenw - credit is added, we will feature your work more in Part 2, with more info from these comments. Thank you!

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Anonymous Marty said...

DRB is great, I love weird stuff like that,Keep it up :o)

Here are a couple more "Alien" and "Clone" sci-fi art babies to add to the collection...

A clone: http://www.marty.com.au/sci-fi-gallery/art-sculpture/3-clone-alone.html

and a Womb with a view: http://www.marty.com.au/sci-fi-gallery/art-sculpture/6-womb.html

(Found on mArty Gallery)

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Anonymous Reborn Dolls Forum said...

Hey, I read with interest the discussion of our beloved art of reborning (the creation of reborn babies, reborn dolls, fake babies or whatever you want to call them!) and just want to point out that the ladies taking part are very normal, gifted and talented individuals. A forum for discussion of this subject without prejudice can be found at Reborn Babies UK, there you will find very nice ladies - friendly, and definitely not wierd. PS. None of us make Hitler dolls!

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  • Thank you for those photos of Dubai's airport. They are the only view I will get, because I refuse to set foot in that place - for my own safety.
    Visitors to Dubai airport have been arrested and sentenced to 4 years in jail for having *tiny* amounts of marijuana - in one case it was an invisible speck on the bottom of a shoe, which he likely got by walking on someone else's discarded joint. Another man was jailed for having 3 poppy seeds left over from a bread roll.
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    I suppose the original one looked much less dramatic.
    Burg Eltz, however, is the real thing.
    Constructed in the middle ages, never fell, despite being under siege serveral times, and still owned by the family who build it.
    There's even a "siege castle" on the opposite side of the valley!
    The siege castle is in ruins while the castle besieged is still standing...
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    Loveland OH
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  • Hi there, fab article!!
    Ever heard of "la scarzuola" the surreal and utopistic town created by architect Tomaso Buzzi. It's location is in Italy, in Umbria region.

    More info about the history of this fascinating place almost unknown even to 90% of italians...
    http://www.bellaumbria.net/Montegabbione/citta_buzziana_eng.htm

    And here are some shots from flickr
    http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=scarzuola&w=all&s=int

    It's truly another world!!
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  • NurseExec - we've seen some of the castles in Germany, including Neuschwanstein. Switzerland castles, for example, around the Thun Lake, impressed us the most.

    Great suggestions, everyone! Keep them coming.
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  • I have a poster of Neuschwanstein on my wall at the very moment...tho I believe the angle of the picture is different than yours posted here.

    This one is taken from up the mountain looking back down at the castle into the lake, most likely during early or very late winter.

    It is on my wall to remind me what a man's castle is supposed to look like. Didn't know the historical perspective, sorry poor bugger...lol.
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    And the Pena Palace in Sintra, near Lisbon, Portugal, as mentioned by the previous Anonymous, is indeed quite crazy and beautiful. No wonder: one of the architects was the german Baron of Eschweige, who was also one of the designers of Neuchwanstein Castle...

    Pena Palace was rebuilt in the 19th Century over the ancient ruins of an old monastery by the german-born Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg, the prince consort of Portugal.

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    It may not be as gilded or gorgeous as the other castles mentioned, but it was a lovely place to visit, and I highly recommend it if you're nearby!
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    Prague Castle in the Czech Republic is gorgeous and fascinating.
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  • How about a mention of Alcazar de Segovia, in Spain?
    http://www.blogdeturismo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/alcazar_segovia.jpg
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  • I used to live in Prague, so we traveled to countless castles across Europe (the best years of my childhood!). Neuschwanstein is simply amazing! My parents live near there and go visit regularly, i guess because they get bored??? Schloss Linderhof is another amazing castle, built by the same king i believe. I'm looking forward to my next visit to Europe so i can go back and revisit my childhood. Everyone should go see the castles of Europe if given the chance.
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  • Take a look at the Chateau de Chenonceau at www.chenonceau.com. It literaly straddles the Loire river in France.

    Chenonceau actually straddles the Cher, a major tributary of the Loire. The fact that it spans the river may have spared it -- French revolutionaries resisted sacking it partly because it was a river crossing and thus valuable to them. It's a gorgeous castle with a fascinating (and slightly soap opera) history, and definitely should be included. The grand ballroom over the river is something to be seen. And so is the room of Louise of Lorraine, who turned the castle into a convent as she mourned her husband, King Henri III. The room is decorated in symbols of mourning and of her faith.

    If the Coral Castle is included, a rather more modern (and considerably more bizarre) "castle" could go on the list: the House on the Rock. This strange residence started out as an artistic retreat for the architect, who began construction by hand, hauling materials up a natural stone pillar in Wisconsin. Eventually it mutated into a very surreal tourist attraction. I suppose in a way it was his own Neuschwanstein.
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    Thank you DRB-Team for the great time I always have on your site, it just so amazing what you are collecting and presenting us 365/year!

    Keep up the amazing work!
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    Another awesome post and spectacular pictures. Thanks for always finding a way to awe me.
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    I was surprised not to see Heidelberg, which is gorgeous.

    Another fascinating one is Slain's Castle, in the northeast of Scotland. Bram Stoker stayed there and it is apparently the inspiration for Dracula's Castle. It's not so pretty to look at, but the precipitous and isolated location make it a dramatic and eery example.
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    Also Austria the most spectacular castles are definitely the Hohenwerfen and Hohensalzburg.

    The great teutonic fortress of Marienberg made of red bricks is definitely worth seeing too.
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    I have added some of your examples to my 'must visit' list for my next vacation, so thanks for inspiring me!
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    I would add Crac de Chevaliers in Syria; an old crusader castle, and without doubt the best preserved one that I have ever seen. In parts it's in such good condition it's almost as if the crusaders were still living there!
    Thanks for sharing.
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    Ekzt castle is actually used by several families.
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    check the animations there too - more knitz.
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    Oh, while we're at it the goal of creating these idols is not to live, it's to be eaten first.
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    I'm a big fan of strange crochet.
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  • HEHEHEHEHE

    that is really great - I aint letting my knitting near my coffee!
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  • SWEETNESS!!!!

    I have got to get back to that Dalek I was trying to knit. I think the bottom part looked better than the one shown here; I just have to figure out a better top dome for it. I came up with a great way of doing the neck grill, too....

    To non-needleworkers, a good rule of thumb is to look for material that looks like its made up of a bunch of tightly-packed Vs. That's stockinette stitch, your basic knit stitch. (Knit when working on the right side, purl when working on the wrong side.) There are other stitches, like garter stitch, which looks like rows of little interlocking arches -- or like cheap fake chainmail, which is often garter stitch, spray-painted silver. (Convincing only at a great distance. Most of the knights in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" wore garter stitch fake-mail, because it's cheap.) But most knitting revolves around stockinette stitch, like the stuff shown above, so for these examples, that test will give you a good idea of which ones are knit and which ones are crocheted.

    Man, I *love* that squid at the top of the page. Absolutely gorgeous. The nudibranch is stunning as well.

    It's too bad the gal with the Dr Who patterns was forced by the BBC to take them offline. She had this awesome Ood that would've looked great next to the Chthulu knits.
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  • You missed these: http://killerbanshee.com/robotsandmonsters/index.html
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  • Why would anyone do this?

    I would suggest because of an incoming hailstorm: that car is a big target and definitely not cheap to repair.

    By the way, First.
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  • The frog! So touching! Was he shot? Just sick?
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  • Another way to use Tweet: to offer and accept a marriage proposal:

    http://www.boingboing.net/2008/10/10/tweethearts-blogger.html

    Not sure if this falls into the good or the bad category.
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  • The frog probably ate a piece of that icefish.
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  • interesting...
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  • think there was a bbc documentary on this. called to mars by abomb. they had footage from a small scale model test. it does work.

    interesting because it takes the worry of weight out of the equation. instead of saving weight you build massive ocean liner level stuff because it no longer matters much.

    it was canceled because the fall out is unacceptable amoung the other risks...
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  • You'd think this project would immediately be called off instead of going as long as it did just by the fact that you'd severely pollute the atmosphere.
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  • With a clean fusion bomb fallout wouldn't be a problem but yeah with dirty nukes, Quote: "Freeman Dyson, group leader on the project, estimated back in the '60s that with conventional nuclear weapons, that each launch would cause on average between 0.1 and 1 fatal cancers from the fallout."
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  • Anonymous, as far as I know a H bomb is only "clean" because its fallout is small in relation to its destructive power. You still produce more than enough fallout simply because a fission bomb is needed as a detonator for the fusion. There is no clean nuclear weapon. The term "dirty nuke" can either refer to a fission bomb with relatively high fallout due to low efficiency or to a conventional chemical explosive with radioactive material around it. The latter thing does not cause a nuclear explosion, but scatters radioactive debris around. It is in no way suitable to power a spaceship.
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  • You have to remember the TIME this was invented in.... people seriously thought this planet was going to be obliterated by nuclear war in the 1950s-60s.

    And if there is a killer asteroid or extraterrestrial threat of any kind, it would be a last-ditch, everyone left behind is dead anyway, "When Worlds Collide" type of project.
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  • The interwebs have been absolutely abuzz with talk about this project. I've seen it in a few documentaries and more than a few posts. I did love that TED talk tho.

    We still need to solve the 'ol problem of traveling distances that would take tens of thousands of years however...

    Thanks for the comprehensive post!

    Austin
    www.sosauce.com
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  • There is no reason why we simply couldn't assemble such a device in Orbit and let fly from that vantage point.
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  • Project Orion and NERVA should be group projects for graduate Nuclear Engineering students. There should be ways to vastly improve performance and lover costs on both of theose systems.

    Launch from Earth? Of course not. However, as anyone who has ever read SF knows, space ships are most easily built in space.

    The cuts in time to Mars and beyond will prevent a lot of radiation problems.

    Oh yes, exploding atomic bombs in space will pollute it. How could I overlook something like that. Darn!
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  • Remember, the Sun is a natural nuclear fusion explosion that's been going on for about 4.5 billion years. Aside from that, all matter emits some miniscule amounts of radiation. Getting a sun tan is in fact a radiation dosage. And burning coal puts a lot of uranium in the air, since it's a trace element in coal. So an Orion ship's radiation should be kept in perspective.

    Building it in space removes most of the risk to earth. And Orion or a Nerva type nuclear rocket (much different) open the whole solar system to human exploration. Instead of trips lasting years one can get around between planets in weeks.

    Eventually we're going to have to accept that politically.
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  • Project 'Daedalus' from Great Britain was similar to this one.
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  • Read Footfall! Great read too!
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  • I've been a fan of Orion for decades. It's one of those Big Engineering concepts many engineers (and I am an engineer) are fascinated with. Adding to the attraction, the only thing keeping it from working is an international treaty.

    Project Pluto isn't nearly as big, but has the advantage of being dead simple overall. One person working on it described the vehicle as being "...about as complicated as a bucket of rocks."

    A ramjet is a very simple heat engine: cold air in, hot air out. For Pluto, the heat source was a nuclear reactor made from advanced ceramics, glowing bright yellow.

    The sonic boom from this thing making a low pass would collapse most buildings. The radiation it emitted would sterilize the ground under its path. (Maybe a slight exaggeration there.)

    They ground tested a developmental version of the engine, and seriously discussed building a test vehicle. That would have been dumped in the ocean after the flight. The realization that if they lost control of the thing it could fly over an inhabited area killed the idea.

    Still, you have to wonder if maybe we could use it to explore the atmosphere of Venus, or one of the gas giants...
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  • Stickmaker, really enjoyed your comment - told in plain terms, great overview
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  • It's not a bad idea once you get off-planet. Someday, one of the export products spent up the space elevator will be nuclear bombs to propel enormous interplanetary vehicles.
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  • this kinda thing is also a significant plot point in neal stephenson's anathem! that's where i first heard about it.
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  • It's not a bad idea once you get off-planet. Someday, one of the export products spent up the space elevator will be nuclear bombs to propel enormous interplanetary vehicles..
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  • The idea that Orion is inherently unclean is untrue. The reason a bomb can be dirty is the stuff that gets sucked into an explosion (including bomb casings) and then spread around. That is why normal ground-level detonations (where dust and soil gets sucked in) produce vastly more fallout than airborne ones.

    In the late 50s, the calculation was 1 to 10 premature deaths per ground launch of Orion. That isn't 10 specific people die - but that 10 people would statistically die earlier than they otherwise would have.

    I personally do not think that risk is unacceptable. Many thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions, of people die prematurely every single year because of industrial pollution from cars, factories, industry etc. Likewise hundreds of thousands of peoples are killed or injured in road accidents, every single year. While these are tragic, nobody says the risk is unacceptable and we better give up cars/industry/technology and return to living in caves.

    Anyway, another point is the risk can be further reduced today. A modern Orion would use a ground-based pusher plate to reduce fallout, and would use better/lighter bombs so less casings to be sucked in too.

    The two remaining problems are EMP (electro magentic pulse), legal and political. The EMP problem can be solved by a sea launch say near the South pole. The legal issue is that it is illegal to take nuclear weapons in space or explode them - but this could be resolved by renegotiating international treaties if there was political will. The political problem is the biggest problem - many people, often regardless of how little they know about nuclear technology and nuclear science, are against anything nuclear, because it sounds bad to them or believing too much bad late night scifi.

    The reason we need Orion is its the only way we can get a substantial presence in space. One Orion is equivalent to hundreds, even thousands, of conventional rocks. If we don't start using energy and resources from space (the first step of which is a large presence beyond the Earth), we are going to wreck this planet before too long.
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  • huh?

    1. materials don't BECOME radioactive do they? the dust and stuff from a ground explosion doesn't contribute to the "dirtyness" of the bomb does it?

    2. why on earth would you LAUNCH with nukes? just use conventional rockets to get the thing into orbit (or just build it there) and then you can nuke away in space.
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  • That 01-1-10 deaths figure would presumably have been calculated on the LNT (linear no threshold) theory of radiation damage. While that is still politically accepted the hormesis theory that at a low level radiation is actually beneficial has the evidence going for it.

    http://www.jerrypournelle.com/archives2/archives2mail/mail311.html#hormesis
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  • Did a speech in 80's including this method as alternative to STS. Also included matter/antimatter propulsion. Only problem I foresee is NASA's history of accidents! That would be huge..
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