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More pictures and explanations in english can be found
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This was wonderfully entertaining to read through!
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About the similarities in the design. To my knowledge the space shuttle design itself was never classified. I remember hearing an interview with a NASA engineer who stated that if the Russians had asked for the schematics they probably would have been given them.
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I wish this was still in use. the entire system is more capable than the space shuttle and can lift more into orbit.
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All similarities end after external appearances. The main point of difference is that Space Shuttle is TWO-stage rocket -- first stage are solid boosters, while second stage is an orbiter itself. Buran-Energia is a three-stage rocket, Energia being a complete independent heavy-lift booster in the same class as Saturn V. Orbiter is just a payload (or a third stage at most), and could be lifted to LEO without ever engaging its engines, which are much smaller and less powerful that Shuttle's ones. It had much more sophisticated avionics compared to early shuttles, as it could land automatically, and it was also equipped with ejection seats for all of crewmembers -- something that Challenger crew would sertainly wish they had.
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khathi is essentially correct. The Buran was a principally different vehicle, similar in appearance only. It is significantly smaller the the Shuttle as well. To call the Energia a launch vehicle in the same class as the Saturn V is technically correct but deceptive. The Saturn V had a design capacity of 200 tons to LEO (It actually lifted 156 tons to LEO with Apollo 17.). I think the Energia could manage just over 100 tons. Still, I don't mean to belittle the Energia. It is an impressive launch vehicle. But it is unlikely the Saturn V will be topped any time in the near future.
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>> This "Buran" is mothballed in
>> storage, most of the others are
>> effectively destroyed.
It no longer exists either. The roof collapsed on it back in 2002.
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khathi: ejection seats would not have helped the challenger crew - they (still) would have been incinerated at the speed they were traveling.
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Well, Saturn V COULD've been topped -- if the whole Energia-Buran project wasn't scrapped, that is. You see, Energia was a highly scalable design, and you could've easily bolt up to a four additional fist stage boosters (IIRC, some of the pics even show this config, sadly, it was never really flown) effectively doubling its capacity -- up to 175 tonnes. But you are right, LEO capacity for standard config was just 100 tonnes, 20 tonnes less than for Saturn V (which could lift just 120 tonnes to LEO, not 200).
Another point -- the orbiter that was destroyed in 2002 was OK-1K1, the very same that was flown in 1988. Another one, OK-1K2, one that should've fly manned mission, was never completed and is still mothballed in Baikonur, IIRC.
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Objection! Crew capsule remained intact after orbiter disintegration, and remained intact (and crew alive, albeit with at least several crewmembers inconscious) until the final strike into the water. Had it been equipped with ejection seats, crew could safely eject during "drop" phase.
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I am sorry to disappoint you, but the Baikal story is a well done 1st April joke, by Vadim Lukashevich, the webmaster of buran.ru - the most comprehensive website on Buran project.
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There were advanced plans to improve the Saturn V as well. One was to stretch the tanks and add a sixth main engine for a total of 9 million pounds of lift-off thrust. Another was to add solid, strap-on boosters. Yet another of the more ambitious proposals was to separate the main engines from the tanks and parachute them down for re-use. I actually knew one of the engineers who helped develop the F-1. He said that the only reason the engines were not re-useable was because they were at the bottom of the Atlantic. The engines were actually designed to be able to be used five to seven times. But, alas, so many good ideas never to be tried. Sigh.
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Can't view the pictures in their original form, Flickr just says private page. Any chance of a fix? Cause these are great.
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Fedor... images fixed
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"khathi: ejection seats would not have helped the challenger crew - they (still) would have been incinerated at the speed they were traveling."
According to:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/investigations/q0122.shtml
The Challenger was at 46,000 ft travelling at 1.9 Mach when the disaster struck.
According to:
http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg14920124.300-please-keep-your-seat.html
The Zvezda K-36 ejection seat of the Buran allows cosmonauts to eject at 30Km (98,000 feet) and 4 Mach.
Columbia disaster... that's another story.
Thank you for the pics. I've been fascinated by space ships since I was a child and this is the first time I see Buran from inside. So I'm very grateful :)
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''Pre-launch moving of "Buran" and "Energia" on rails''
The last two photos are of Proton, not Buran or Energia.
Proton is a much smaller rocket (A medium one). You can also see the 6 outer tanks and 6 engines attached to them, no central engines, very different from Energia's 4 boosters and 3 core engines.
I'm surprised nobody noticed yet.
Proton is a sixties design, still flying today, commercially, although they just had one launch failure with the second stage just after staging.
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Great collection, to add:
Ultimate Buran collection area on NASASpaceflight.com is here:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=636&start=1
and on their L2 section they have hours of never before seen video.
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On early Soviet shuttle concept TM pic:
Twin-tail space shuttle, two stage to orbit:
the perennial favorite of Popular Science magazine covers.
The only thing missing is a wheel-shaped space station.
Note what appears to be a flight engineer behind the cockpit,
and either a political officer or a flight attendant in the next
compartment.
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I remember sitting infront of the TV and watching the launch of Buran/Energija live!
I was a small boy at that time (from former GDR, east germany) and it was a huge event for me...
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hb - great link, thank you!
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One reason they might have decided to have it horizontal when transporting to the launchpad is that it's possible to accelerate much faster. The angular momentum on an already erected rocket is so much greater that any acceleration beyond a bare minimum risks damage or even toppling the rocket.
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One of the Buran's was stored for a couple of years in a shipping yard in Bahrain (Persian Gulf). I was visiting the yard and saw a space shuttle type of craft, found later on the internet that it was one of the Buran's. The wings where taken off but you could enter the Buran trough a opening in the hull. Took home one of the smaller panels from the cockpit as a souvenir.
Last thing I heard that is will be transported to a museum in Mannhein, Gemany.
Martijn(Netherlands)
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The 'German museum' mentioned here several times, is the Technik Museum, and the Buran is shipped to the Sinsheim location of the museum. See http://www.technik-museum.de.
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Correction, that should be the Speyer location of the Tecknik Museum...
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Martjin, Daap - I'm glad it's in the good hands now.
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One of these shuttles is in Australia. It was at the worlds fair, and the russians didn't have the cash to fly it home. So it still sits there to this day.
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Anon, the one that was in Australia -- it's the very same that finally arrived in Germany some time ago. The company couldn't make profit by using it as an attraction, so they've shipped it to warehouse in Bahrain and just let it sit there.
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Regarding the Shuttle and ejection seats, there *were* ejection seats on Columbia, for her first few flights, before the system was considered flight-qualified. There were two ejection capsules, similar to those found on SR-71 Blackbirds, and intended for use if the vehicle was nearly finished with its reentry and about to ditch -- a landing off of a runway is not considered survivable.
But they're problematic. For one thing, they are very heavy. For another, you need a path for the ejection seats to take. For structural reasons, that could only be provided for commander and pilot. It is simply not done to have ejection seats for only two of the crew, so once the crew grew above two, the ejection seats were deactivated and eventually removed. No other Orbiter had them but Columbia.
Would such seats have saved the Challenger crew? Forgiving that they could only have been effective for CDR and PLT, it is still by no means clear that a safe ejection could have been achieved. Most likely, they would have ejected directly into the fireball. And it's not a flight regime where you'd ordinarily want ejection seats -- in all other failure modes, ejection seats during a Shuttle launch will be fatal.
It's not as clear as it might seem. Wayne Hale (former Shuttle program director) has a fascinating series of posts on Black Zones in his blog that goes into this problem in more detail.
http://blogs.nasa.gov/cm/blog/waynehalesblog/
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One more thing -- there are some very cool pictures in there. Two are of Proton rockets, unrelated to Energia-Buran but to this day, the heavy-lift workhorse of the Russian rocket fleet. More interesting are the pictures of what I presume to be Polyus, the payload of the "other" Energia launch. Energia flew once without the Buran. It carried a space station called Polyus on its back. Little is known about it, as it was a military flight. It may even have been nuclear powered. What *is* known is that although the Energia performed flawlessly, Polyus' own engines failed to inject it into the proper orbit, and it ended up in the Pacific Ocean. Very sad.
One piece of Buran-related hardware did eventually fly: a docking compartment for Mir. It was modified with Apollo-Soyuz Test Project unisex docking adapters and installed on Mir by the Space Shuttle Atlantis. The newly-constructed Orbiter Docking System was designed to mate with it, and it was used throughout the Shuttle-Mir program. Its legacy lives on in the ODSes in each surviving Orbiter, and in the Pressurized Mating Adapters aboard the ISS.
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Calli - great info, really enjoyed it. Will include more interesting shots in Part 2.
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Actual the engines of the Saturn V will probably be used in the successor of the space shuttle.
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In regard to the Control Panel, those are what all Space Shuttle controls look like. It's not necessarily old, it just looks old.
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Calli, Polyus was a Prototype Unmanned Laser Battlestation. Gorbachey didn't even know what it was till he showed up for the launch and was then briefed on what it really was. Since he was then trying to shoot down the US's SDI program diplomaticly and publicity wise ... the USSR suddenly having an on orbit working example would have been *Bad*. Especally since he knew the USSR's ecconomy couldn't support building a full on orbit presence that the system would require. Also, the Polyus's engines didn't fail to inject it into orbit. Since the Polyus was, for engineering and/or aerodynamic reasons, mounted with it's tail section forward. The Polyus's RCS failed to stop it's reorintation at 180 degrees but let it spin a full 360 degrees before it's engines fired and did a dandy job of aborting the mission into the Pacific.
mz, moving the rockets out of the assemblly hall to the launch pad horizontly has been the way the USSR/Russians have always done it. All their infrastructer is based around it. When, or if, they ever looked at vertical intergration and rollout it most have not made sence to them since they believe firmly in the engineering proverb "If it ain't broke, don't mess with it".
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El VentureStar sí que era un lanzador revolucionario. Deberían volver a trabajar en él.
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awesome photos! also woth noting that the Antonov Ukrainian built carrier plan is actually bigger and with larger payload capacity than the airbus A380 - a pretty impressive achievement too!
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I never saw those photos of the being-built Buran before, almost brings a tear to my eye. Makes you wonder how many 100s of billions did the Russians waste on this and other programs as you can see from other 'closed' projects. Some part yes they are not wasted as it helps tech research, but all that money spend to build the storage, superstructure, etc etc wow sad
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'Climb inside to experience rickety-looking Soviet computer panels and monitors.
It takes guts to fly into space with these...'
Rickety-looking?! The smug condescension, so typical of writers in the decadent West, towards anything and everything associated with the Soviet Union, is sickening. What, exactly, is 'rickety-looking' about it? Be specific, I want technical details here, not just another 'oh, look, analogue instrumentation'! (By the way, analogue dials are in no way that truly matters inferior to fancy LCD screens; they just represent different approaches to the display of information).
Need I remind you that, at this moment in time, the United States doesn't even have a manned space programme, whilst the only space station in orbit is serviced by (surprise, surprise) cosmonauts. The U.S. shuttle fleet was extremely expensive and accident-prone, whilst the Soviets abandoned their own shuttle programme because they realised that the current Soyuz system was more than adequate for the tasks they had in mind.
The Soviet philosophy regarding space travel has always been 'if it works, and works well, stick with it'. They have never been obsessed, as those in the West obviously are, with all of this flashy 'state-of-the-art' nonsense, their understanding that the constant and continual push to 'upgrade' creates an ever-more costly and bug-prone (and yes, 'rickety') space-transportation system.
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Well said Peter! The stereotype is sickenning. Great post and amazing blog but dont do this BS biased writing. Please
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How would you ever retrieve three wet cats 28 separate times for this photo shoot? That takes some serious catnip.
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apparently they spent some time bringing the cats back to senses :)
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The Nazi UFO photo is not a fake. Read some of it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs and check the external links - they were building such hmm vehicles? as I have seen on Discovery Channel they were supposed to work on hovercraft-like fans only capable to lift them more than few inches above ground :) Similar small saucers have been built more recently and some of them even work in a limited way.
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hi,
the plane on photo is almost Kalinin K-7. In this 3d it has a lot of cannons which is not true.
here is link to Russian page on
wikipedia:
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Snow Snake looks like Andy Goldsworthy's work
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p.p.s. as i just read in other blog here is the link to the page with more pictures of this "K-7" from the creator. Much more! :)
K777 (russian language)
via
Hectop
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And now check out the Snow Patrol Video for „Open your eyes“...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l5ipSldZNI
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Just thought of this movie three days ago for the first time in years! Found it on YouTube and was going to blog about it, but you beat me to it!
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"It was my film, and I was fully prepared to take the risks"
Very kind of him to assume anyone he could have hit was prepared to take his risks with him.
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In the name of Love?
Well, I'd call them and tell them I was gonna be 5 minutes late...
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As an automobile enthusiast and a lover of my wife; that was and is one of the most beautiful films that I have seen and heard in my life.
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Paris looked so quiet and deserted back then... Even at that time of day, nowadays this stunt would be impossible to perform. There's ALWAYS too much traffic to do something like this now.
Of course he was a selfish, reckless bastard. But sometimes, one needs to be... ;-)
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For a fascinating article on a cross-USA drive inspired by this movie, see
http://www.wired.com/cars/coolwheels/magazine/15-11/ff_cannonballrun
31 hrs, 4min at >90mpg AVERAGE speed.
Raises the same kinds of ethical questions.
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You should see the "Getaway in Stockholm" movie. At least first 3 parts.
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I wonder what Googlemaps says it takes to drive this.
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Its a mercedes but its not real sound... Sound from ferrari...
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In the interview he talks about the one turn he aborted (at Rue Lepic) because another garbage lorry was in the way...you can notice it in the film at about 6:15. He had to divert through the Cemetery and was afraid of running out of film. Amazing stuff...j'aime Paris!
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There's a pretty good quicktime version of the film
here, as well as lots of good info on the facts about the filming, as revealed by director Claude Lelouch himself.
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As fas as I am concerned, camouflage is applied to equipments in order to avoid being noticed.
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The British army used pink for desert patrol vehicles during the Second World War and continued to do so for some time after. Not just slightly pink, either, but /very/ pink. They were known as Pink Panthers.
http://www.4wdonline.com/Museums/BMIHT/PinkPanther.html
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One of the primary objectives of dazzle camouflage was to prevent effective use of optical rangefinders. It was also important to confuse observers as to course and speed so many camo schemes incorporated false bow waves or false bow and stern outlines.
As an aside, sometimes camouflage can be too good. The multi color scheme developed for the Denny Steam Gunboats in WWII was so good that two gunboats ran into each other while on patrol because neither one saw the other.
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Pink is a popular color in the military. Robyn Miller, co-creator of the game Myst, has a truly wonderful article on other pink military vehicles here.
http://tinselman.typepad.com/tinselman/2006/04/war_pink_peace.html
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I need to repaint my bedroom, and Medium Lavender Mauve Grey looks just the ticket. Hurrah for battleships.
Bedrooms aside, dazzle camouflage actually turns out to have been pretty effective, as slow joe crow points out. It was meant to confuse rather than conceal, and did its job very well. (After all - we did *win*.) Many of those patterns created one or more fake bows, which confused submarine periscopes trying to aim for the ship's weakest spot. I do wonder whether the general designs chosen would have been different if the prevailing artistic movement at the time hadn't been modernism (and if you look at paintings by people like Bawden and Ravilious you can absolutely see where those boldly hatched patterns came from aesthetically).
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thanks for all that info... pink is the best camouflage in the desert. Goes well with
tanks, too.
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FAKE, just a photoshop geek gone wild. Just kidding, somebody had to say it.
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Dutch graffiti artist 'Delta Inc' has produced a Dazzle Be@rbrick for the Kubrick toy range.
http://www.mrmule.com/archives/2005/02/kubrick_jest_de.html
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They will definitely have a hard time being hit by torpedoes.
BTW, we have received some emails pointing out that we misidentified the HMS Argus as the HMS Sargus. I'm sticking to my theory that this, too, was part of the camo.
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WELL , I THINK THAT THE CAR WITH THE DAZZLE PAINTWORK IS AN OPEL KADETT , NOT A FIAT STRADA .
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..the dazzle effect , effected to the
opel kadett , transforming it into a fiat strada !!!
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Avi, the picture caption that reads 'The HMS "Sargus"' should say 'HmS Argus'. HMS, standing for His (or Her) Majesty's Ship, does not have 'the' in front of it.
Is this the best camouflage in the world? I think so!
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Not sure if that last comment was meant as a contradiction, but just to clarify: no-one would say "the Her Majesty's Ship Whatever visited port today", and even if "popular usage" saw a lot of people abusing the language in that way, it would not suddenly make it acceptable :-P
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Dom, article adjusted, thanks
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I always thought that dazzleflage was pretty cool to look at and something that might serve a useful purpose today. Watching a program on sharks a while back some scientists conducted an experiment where they tossed two pieces of wood, one shaped like a seal and one a square. Naturally the shark attacked the seal shape but pretty much ignored the square because it didn't look natural. Imagine if you were to do a dazzle pattern on a wetsuit and/or the bottom of a surfboard and actually make it visible when viewed from below I wonder if it would help to prevent surfers and snorklers from being mistaken for seals by sharks since their outlines would be completely broken up and look completely unnatural to a hungry shark.
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Well, sharks also have alternative ways to hunt you down. Not that it wouldn't still help.
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I don;t think you did all your homework on this one. The British Admiraly studied Dazzle painting after WW1 and was unable to find one incident in which is helped throw off a U boat torp. Thus they declared it a failure.
However, it had an interesting secondary impact in that it provided a major morale boost to the sailors on the ship (thinking they were safer). Thus they kept doing it for that reason alone.
So, no. The official Royal Navy report says that it was NOT effective.
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Not entirely true, Jon. The Brits couldn’t prove it worked, but they found it didn’t make the vessels more of a target, either, so as it didn’t do any harm, and could be said to be a morale booster, as you mention, it was kept. Proving its effectiveness was always going to be difficult though – the idea was to prevent or delay an attack in the first place, not throw the submarine’s aim off. Since a vessel would have had no idea it was being targeted until it saw torpedo tracks in the water, the Admiralty could only measure reports of actual attacks, not attempts.
Conversely, the US Navy decided Dazzle WAS effective!
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Gosh this is so Fernand Leger! Haha. I'm stunned.
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An additional comment. Warfare did not originally mean concealment. Both land and naval forces clearly announced their presence before battle by flags and banners. Only after trench warfare became the order of the day, did camouflage become standard. Compare any Civil War Movie with any WWII movie. One has armies marching in formation towards each other, the other has small groups sneaking up on each other. Different uniforms for different tactics. Ditto for Naval forces. Zouave units were formed in honor of Algerian infantry which had covered itself with glory. There were many Zouave units in the Civil War on both sides. They were considered elite units, much like paratroop or special forces,wearing berets rather than helmets. When weapons became long range so warfare was no longer face to face, camouflage became important. As mentioned, the dazzle pattern also confused range finding, there was no radar or sonar, only optical range finders. So correct focus was very important, but the dazzle made it difficult to focus correctly making accurate range estimates impossible. By WWII, 16 inch naval guns had a range of 25 miles. The visual horizon is 6 to 12 miles, depending on how high above sea level you are.
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Thank you for this insightful comment - big guns changed everything, indeed
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excellent reading!
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In pic #3 of the "In the Beginning" section I recognized my late next door neighbor.
Betty McQuaid flew with TWA in the late '30s and thru the '40s, eventually marrying one of its pilots.
Betty was featured several times in TWA publicity. She was as petite and charming at 90 as she had been in her 20s.
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YouTube offers up some additional Southwest Airling commercials worth the watch, but the final word on host stewardess attire would have to be
SARSair.com
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Thanks for heads up on this, retrokatze. The offer comes from reputable ad network, so we have no reason to suspect otherwise, but we'll look into this.
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That video is directly from Planet Earth, Episode 1 - Pole to Pole, and is one of the many species of bird of paradise. It's a great miniseries (11-episode documentary) by Discovery Channel and BBC.
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The police of the riots reminds me of the combine in Half Life 2
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The police of the riots reminds me of the combine in Half Life 2
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Those russian PBF masks crack me up - it's like they deliberately went out to design something more half-life than half life!
They do look very mickey mouse with a helmet on tho ... and those masks are available on ebay so you can too! Handy for fancy dress or just for nipping to the shops after the bomb drops ;)
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Another praying mantis one: A praying mantis eating a bird: http://www.birdwatchersdigest.com/site/images/backyard_birds/Mantis_hummer2.jpg
http://www.birdwatchersdigest.com/site/images/backyard_birds/Mantis_hummingbird.jpg
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It's like insect porn!
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stickler spoil sport says: Not all these gorgeous creatures are insects. Some are arthropods. Or something.
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Evolution... pff, yeah right!!
Oh, and insects are arthropods. As are arachnids (spiders) and crustaceans (crayfish and shrimp and stuff)
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they're just beautiful, don't just mimic to make predator..
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Incredible photos!
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Wow, these look really scary!
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Would've liked to have seen a Tiger Beetle on there!
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Try to convince me that God is not CREATIVE.
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I would try to convince you that God is not CREATIVE but I doubt you would get it.
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Humans mythological Gods have no place here....nature at its finest.
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I guess when you aren't relying on traffic lights to regulate things you are forced to pay attention to what the cars around you are doing.
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I far as I can tell the text in the corner of that picture translates to: "Lightning Models on the Front".
And it turns out it's some sort of film... :-/
http://www.csfd.cz/film/183457-blitzmadels-an-die-front/
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Blitz is the name for the tactic de nazi's used in the first stage of WW2 (Blitz-Krieg=Lightning War)
Mädeln means something like 'girls, ladies'
And the logo on their shirt is the logo of the Third Reich
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Thank you for the info! I updated the post :0
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Those St. Petersburg cars are having to deal with ice in many of the crashes; you can tell by the glide. However, many of them are also driving too fast for the conditions. "Drive as though you have no brakes— because you don't."
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